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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Utter tosh.

The Telegraph (who funded this study) have a huge list of anti-EV articles, nearly all of which are technically incorrect and often self-contradictory. They clearly have an agenda and it's likely funded by the oil industry.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not entirely untrue. Electric vehicles tend to be heavier than petrol or diesel vehicles, and heavier vehicles cause more wear to road surfaces than lighter ones.

That isn't to say electric vehicles are bad idea because of that though.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

But still fractionally as heavy as lorries, which /do/ cause most of the potholes. But the article is designed to trigger our base feelings of anger about paying for a road surface that's often in poor condition.

The car park argument is pretty silly too. Older multi-stories have greater problems from cars being wider, longer and taller than what they were designed for. But again, with the news of the multistorey car park collapsing in New York not that long ago, it's triggering fear, uncertainty and doubt amongst the reader.

Objectively, it's a really good example of how to write a manipulative 'news' story that preys on human emotion. That doesn't make it /true/ though.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Damage to road surfaces increases by 2^4^ with weight. Link

A 2 tonne vehicle will do 16x as much damage as a 1 tonne.

EVs tend to be heavier, but for example, a Nissan Leaf weighs 1580KG, a Ford Puma weighs 1280KG and a a chelsea tractor weighs 2770KG.

So a Leaf vs the best selling car in the UK (Puma) is close to 2x the damage.
But a Range Rover vs the Puma is getting on for 20x the damage.

This article does seem to be anti-EV. And I hope that the new regulations that come in are based on weight, not just being a BEV.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Can't recall the figures off the top of my head, but even the BMW 3-Series (G20) is about as heavy as equivalent Tesla's. Of course you'll find lighter Japanese vehicles with smaller engines, but the article does seem to ignore how heavy ICE vehicles can get and how light BEV's can be...

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Electric cars, which are roughly twice as heavy as standard models, could also cause serious damage to car park floors with especially older, unloved structures most at risk of buckling, experts have said.

If you're curious, this is why

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Which electric car is "roughly twice as heavy" as a comparable internal combustion car?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

the hummer ev weighs 2500lbs more than a hummer h2 and over 4000lbs heavier than a new tahoe.

but, afaik, the two new vehicles arent sold there. as far as more normal vehicles, yeah there might be some weight penalty but they arent 2z heavy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

The Hummer EV is the single most extreme example of an EV, an abnormal big monster car with an abnormal big monster battery. But still those 2500 lbs mean that it's just about 50% heavier than the Hummer H2 (starting at 6400 lbs vs EV's 9000 lbs), which, though also being an abnormal big monster car, still was much smaller than the EV, which is 13 inch longer and 5 inch wider than the H2's long version.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh no! They'll actually have to build roads to a proper standard now!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

The research was done by the Asphalt Industry Alliance (https://www.asphaltuk.org) who complain that there is a 1.30bn shortfall in the carriageway budget.

They have a point - potholes are worse than they’ve ever been - but one has to wonder if they would bump up the numbers to try and get more funding 🤔

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

EVs don't fix congestion, don't fix particulates from tyres, don't fix tyre noise (which dominates above 30mph), don't fix crash deaths, don't fix road damage, don't fix energy usage and don't fix cars contributing to sedentary lifestyles.

Perhaps we should also be looking at some other solutions while we transition to from ICE vehicles EVs.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

There's a lot of obvious big-oil funded propaganda against electric cars being posted on Lemmy....

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

This is not a problem even if it's true.