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Inspired by a question I saw a while back, is it possible to make my data/online presence useless/undesirable to companies to purchase?

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[–] [email protected] 171 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

E-commerce vet here. It’s easier just to try and not give out that data and to pay to have it scrubbed. But, this thought experiment is fun, so here’s how you’d make your targeting data complete trash.

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The most valuable thing about your data is your behavior and demographic characteristics, not your identity.

When you fill out forms, pretend your gender, race, and age is fluid. Also, pretend you’re nomadic. Then behave erratic as fuck online - pay for bibles, butt plugs, taxidermy, and PETA donations

Your data will be absolute trash. You’ll also be miserable because you’re going to be visiting the Amazon drop off center with gag balls and porcelain Jesus figurines every week.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 11 months ago

Your comment is fucking gold. Thank you.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

Maybe you should plan better and get the ball gags in Jesus's size so you can drop them off at the local cult

[–] [email protected] 36 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Sure. Wiggle your mouse, introduce randomness into your typing, and read about things you’re not interested in. It doesn’t matter though as they’ll still sell your info.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

Garbage in, garbage out.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No. People are always going to pay for your data even if you make it incorrect.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

Yeah this. Google has no interest in determining if your data is real or not. They don't care. They only care that the customer isn't aware of the scam.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's impossible to make your data completely unattractive to purchase but using something like the adnauseum extension on your browser can make your data less useful when it has been purchased.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I could go on and on about it!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Please. Proceed.

unless this is a quote/meme I'm not familiar with

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

It just clicks on every ad you encounter. Ad nauseam.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago

It is a kind of quote/meme. Ad nauseum means on and on (literally until you get sick of it).

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

It's a uBlock Origin fork that "clicks" on any ad it comes across off-screen.

[–] ogwillikers 15 points 11 months ago (3 children)

AdNauseum plugin combined with VPN and private browser mode.

It's an ad blocker that clicks everything.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

I've kind of always wanted to use AdNauseum, but since I still depend on my Google account somewhat I'm hesitant to give them reasons to delete me, and I've settled for blocking ads and supporting rival services.

Has anyone had their google account banned over this?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Is this chaotic neutral or chaotic evil?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

I contend that it's chaotic good.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Private browser mode in many browsers disables plugins by default, and also doesn't do anything to stop trackers or data collection. All private mode does is keep your activity private from others who also have access to your device (e.g. family members, roommates), by not saving browser history/cookies/etc.

Also, VPN's can be helpful, but there are ways to "fingerprint" individual users behind VPN's by how they move their mouse and click speed and what websites they visit etc.. I imagine plugins like AdNauseum could help with that. It's a clever idea, I'll have to check it out - thanks!

[–] ogwillikers 2 points 11 months ago

Firefox can allow plugins in private mode. I only mentioned private mode because it ensures you're not logged in anywhere.

[–] pezmaker 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

This is just my opinion, but I don't think so. I love the thought and wish there was, though. I think no matter what you do, it's still information about a potential user/customer and still tells someone looking at it about you. "Oh, we have information on about 4% of the population that wants to actively subvert our data analytics.". Obviously that's made up, I didn't bother trying to even guess what a potentially realistic number might be.

Again in my opinion, the only way to provide no value to data analytics is to not be a data point, and good luck with that. Best I've been trying to do is disable targeted ads anywhere I can, reset my identifier ids regularly on things like android tv where I can, and try to blast cookies anywhere possible. I don't know if it even makes a difference or just makes me feel better

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Its super unpopular on Reddit and even less popular on here but... Have my data, i dont give a fuck.

What are you going to find out? I'm a straight white man approaching middle-age. I'm into DIY, cars that were cool 20 years ago, music that was cool 20 years ago, cooking on my bbq and trying desperately to avoid becoming old AND fat. I'm wearing New Balance runners and cargo shorts RIGHT NOW. I've become a complete caricature of a "Dad".

You think you can find some embarrassing shit with my porn history? Nope, Ill tell you what my jam is for free. I dont care.

I'm already tighter with my money than a dolphins asshole. Put the prices up, I just wont buy it. I'm on a playthrough of a 22yo videogame on a pc I built with second hand parts because fuck paying $130 for a brand new AAA title.

What are "they" going to mine from me?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

This is the answer. Clarity and frugality. It doesn’t matter that they can make accurate predictions of your interests if you simply never click.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

they wouldn't spend millions on ads if people were immune to them

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

The expression "a fool and his money will soon be parted" or a variation of that was first published in 1573.

"A foole & his money, be soone at debate: which after with sorow, repents him to late."

If you cant go on facebook without buying some T-shirt for $40 because some targeted add knows you're all about Pickle Rick right now. The problem isnt targeted advertisement.

[–] pezmaker 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You basically described the other half of me right here. I waffle back and forth between your view and trying to do something about it. I go back to feeling it's futile and doesn't matter anyway, before getting fed up with targeted ads again. Wash, rinse, repeat.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm aware of it, thats how I fight back.

Ive needed new day to day runners for months, the inner heel is shredded and the soles have very little tread but I havent seen anything I like on a decent sale yet. I know the prices on most of the shit I want and on all the shit I need.

Now my facebook regularly shoves adds for shoes at me 365 days a year. The last pair of new all purpose runners/training shoes I bought retailed for $150 - $200, I saw a targeted advertisement for 25% off and I clicked on it and I got a pair thats usually $160 for $120 did they win or did I win?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

I'd say they did, nobody actively advertises a product they don't want to sell, unless it's some type of loss leader.

Of course, you got cheap shoes out of it, so perhaps you both won?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The thing is what is valuable or not is up to you. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean they don't want it. What's perfectly legal and mundane today can be illegal tomorrow.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If they outlaw blondes with big tits there will be a revolution.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Unlink it from yourself. It's harder than you'd think. Use a privacy respecting browser with privacy badger installed and tor or VPN. Use generic credit cards. Use burner emails and phone numbers.

If none of your stuff is linked together and none of it is linked to you, it's not worth much, someone will buy it, but it'll be one of a billion useless records in a huge low quality dump.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

Companies don't purchase specific user data they purchase datasets.

Like reddit will says "we have x amount of user and here is what data we collect on them" you can access this data for $Y"

So and then those companies use that data to show you personalised ads or whatever and do a fuck ton, like and obscene amount of data analysis on it and your habits to see if it was worth the cost and will renovate with reddit the price to access their data.

So one individual user going weird won't do anything. But if you made a ton of bots and made them act weird you might be able to make the dataset worth less. But honestly probably not that much as they have tools to filter bots and stuff.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

There are browser extensions that fill up your data/presence with meaningless junk

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

There’s definitely less valuable demographics but I doubt it would be completely worthless, you’d just be cheaper to advertise to.

I mean it might make it seem like you’re more valuable and then never buy anything, some companies would be paying more to show you ads but get less return, so you’d be costing them more money.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Don't worry it probably already is.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Meta and Google disagree.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I use generated email/usernames everywhere I’m forced to login, in the hope they can’t connect all the dots. Don’t know if it works though.

[–] funkless_eck 4 points 11 months ago

I work in marketing, had an issue the other day someone did something weird by browsing our site with a personal email address and worked out the naming conventions we use to jump the sign up form for an in-person event and went straight to the thank-you page to get the details.

So then we had his personal email (which we didn't want!) and had to connect it to his work email in the CRM to connect his profile.

So, for the general use cases it would work, but someone that is trying to connect the dots probably could.

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