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Donald Trump's increasingly violent vision is coming through loud and clear to supporters like the MAGA gunman in New Mexico.

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[-] [email protected] 116 points 9 months ago

Republicans don't want freedom or justice or anything that they claim to be for. They only want unrelenting flames of vengeance on everything that they hate: which is basically everything that exists. They literally are a lake of fire.

[-] [email protected] 49 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

When my friend became a Republican after a being a lifelong Democrat, one of the first things he started to say was, "never let the opposition control the language."

The right defines those words, freedom, justice, with what their empty ideology represent; not their actual meanings.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago

The right has zero credibility on freedom or justice.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

I don’t even understand how someone can understand what “right wing” means while also claiming it to equal freedom.

They are literally on the “authority” side!

[-] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The freedom to use authority to oppress anyone the in group doesn't like, you know, anti American freedoms.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

There was a great piece on the notion of Southern liberty (the way the right defines it) vs. the way virtually everyone else defines it. The right's idea of "liberty" is being able to rule over others.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago
[-] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago
[-] [email protected] 32 points 9 months ago

When Bush was elected, his main concern was revenge on Saddam. When Trump was elected, his main objective was to show what he would have done during the 08 financial crisis instead of what Obama had done.

The next republican president will probably be obsessed with getting revenge for the pandemic. It's what they do and why they can't govern.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago

Cruelty is the point. That's all that guides the right. The base, anyway. The elite just want corporate rule and tax cuts for themselves.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

When Trump was elected, his main objective was to show what he would have done during the 08 financial crisis instead of what Obama had done

No it wasn't. It was to destabilize the country at the behest of Vladimir Putin.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Republicans would be great Daleks.

[-] [email protected] 74 points 9 months ago

Ryan Martinez, of East Mountains, pulls a gun during a rally outside the Rio Arriba County building in Española, N.M., Thursday, Sept. 28, 2023.

Wow didn't even hear about this one.

[-] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)
[-] mindbleach 3 points 9 months ago

"No way to stop this," says only nation where this regularly happens.

[-] [email protected] 67 points 9 months ago

There's a bunch of different notions about "the end of politics," but mostly I've seen it refer to the fact that the economic system in the US is basically not up for debate at this point. The issues that are up for debate now do not threaten the basic structure of the political economy, or the economic arrangements of people in this system.

I disagree somewhat about the "both sides" criticism of the media here. This "both sides" approach isn't because the media "hasn't figured out" how to move beyond conventional 90s politics, it's because the media subsists on it's ability to exploit the viewer's attention and emotions. There's plenty of writing and analysis of "real" politics, but the biggest news networks aren't running that as top stories because it doesn't offer the engagement of partisan culture war debates.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago

As a non USAmerican, this seems only partly true. The media does indeed benefit from the partisanship hype, but it is also (often) accurately reporting politicking made to exploit the same emotional response.

For example, there is little good statesmanship in the North Carolina Republicans founding their own extrajudicial secret police, but it triggers a lot of emotional response even before them actually using it as a fascist tool.

This isn't blown out of proportion by the media, it is an actual thing that the party officially proposed, and it is outright disregarding both rule of law and democratic principles. Even if they have no hope of enacting it, the proposal is made to evoke emotions and sow chaos.

The French would have striked until these people resigned.

[-] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago

The French would have striked until these people resigned.

Because the French have social services and resources that allow them to do this without facing bankruptcy, homelessness and starvation.

[-] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago

True, but how did they get those?

By collective action.

(and a lot of blood)

[-] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

One wonders if we are going to keep working through bankruptcy, homelessness, and starvation.

Because the question is going to come up.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Its gonna take utility and food collapse for that to happen.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Up to 50% of homeless people in the states work full or part time.

The question has been answered.

https://bfi.uchicago.edu/insight/research-summary/learning-about-homelessness-using-linked-survey-and-administrative-data/

[-] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Let's go back even farther in French history and ask how they would handle this!

[-] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

To be fair, the USAmericans also have a few notable occasions of standing up against oppressive rulers.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago

So did you only read the opening paragraph of the French Revolution, or are you super cool with thousands of innocent people dying for no reason?

[-] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

They don't see it that way. It's like how the Confederates broke away after Lincoln's election even though Lincoln promised he wasn't going to abolish slavery. It doesn't matter that we aren't going to change the economic system, the fact that they know we don't fully support it is the same as trying to replace it.

[-] mindbleach 1 points 9 months ago

Like all things that are loudly "not up for debate," that just means a lot of people are definitely trying to debate it.

Pros: capitalism as-she-is-spoken is currently "not up for debate."

Cons: so is genocide.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

I’ve seen it refer to the fact that the economic system in the US is basically not up for debate at this point

Well yeah, because we have the best one in human history.

[-] [email protected] 39 points 9 months ago

Well written article. That there’s still such discussions about the politics of the US means that maybe there’s still hope.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago

The world needs more journalists like Will Bunch.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago
[-] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

This is one of the reasons I got a concealed carry permit. These mfers are nuts and won't respond to kindness. We're lost as a country. Just a matter of time before it shows.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

We definitely need more guns. You know, to shoot the things and combat the guns and destroy stuff.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

You should always have your gun on you and loaded, so it can be your first reaction whenever you’re scared

[-] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

For all of the talk of "a good guy with a gun", it's happened like....twice?

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