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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I mean I see why Reddit and Twitter are doing it. We're in a really weird transitional period of the internet right now, for better or for worse. They're doing it to prevent scraping, because why would you read all these garbage tweets to get to the information you need when an ChatGPT can spit out the exact information without fluff? It's taking their content without any funding back to them, effectively stealing their revenue.

So what are these companies to do? Honestly I hope this is birth to a new form of social media, and this benefits the fedi greatly. It will be unsustainable to run large social media companies like theirs who profit off of user data and content. Whereas tons of fedi servers ran by hobbiest, effectively ran out of pocket or by donations, is much more sustainable. They're doing it for community and more pure content that everyone wants without corporate fluff. If ChatGPT scrapes the fedi community, that's okay because the fedi isn't designed to make money so nothing is lost.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

So with Spez having a hard on for Elon and how he runs Twitter, how long until we see this on Reddit? Premium members can view 1000 posts/day and regular members can only view 100 posts/day. Similar rule will apply to comments too.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Things like Reddit and Twitter are bad for billionaires. It makes it harder for them to exploit you when there is a public place to talk about their bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (5 children)

That was my reaction when Elon first bought twitter. It's like he's so stupid he thinks Twitter is the only possible platform that could ever be a twitter.

It turns out, we're all pretty clever at figuring out places to talk. The talking is going to happen. Where we do the talking keeps changing.

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[–] kamenoko 36 points 1 year ago

"To address extreme levels of failing to pay our bills & firing every competent person at Twitter, we've applied the following temporary limits:"

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Twitter was an important unifying communications tool during the Arab Spring. The Arab spring was a threat to biz as usual in places like Saudi Arabia. The second largest investor in Twitter is Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia killed and dismembered a journalist from the US, more or less in plain sight. Elon is now killing and dismembering Twitter in plain sight to limit its power as a unifying tool that stands as a demonstrable, active threat to capitalism and oligarchs around the world.

Billionaires do favors for other billionaires. It's part of why spez is trying to tank Reddit. Remember how dangerous Reddit was to capitalism's status quo around the time of GME/Robinhood/Antiwork recently.

The specific moment we're in right now is meant to shatter consolidated organizing power on Reddit as we splinter into several smaller alternative platforms (or for some, disconnect entirely). Not saying we shouldn't be in Lemmy, but calling out the larger reality of the moment.

Billionaires do favors for other billionaires.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago

This truly is a genius level move. If users are using your site, they are contributing to your hosting costs. You don’t want that.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Elon is so damn transparent. I NEVER remembering anything like this happening before Elon. Dude is running this like a moronic mob boss.

"Hey..it'd be a shame if you could only view 600 tweets. I have this Twitter Blue that might be able to help...."

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Between this and reddit going "down" yesterday, the internet just sucks right now.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, the internet is healing. This is a dream come true.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It must be nice to be able to waste 44 billion dollars and not miss it.

I could live comfortably for the rest of my life on 1/10,000th of what Elon spent.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It must have taken all of Elon's willpower to not make the limits:

  • Verified accounts are limited to reading 6969 posts/day
  • Unverified accounts to 420 posts/day
  • New unverified accounts to 69/day
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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago

I gave up on Twitter when this turd took over but holy shit...

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)

"Extreme levels of data scraping" my ass. This is probably meant to reduce server costs because Elon put a huge hole in this boat and now he does a very loud "look-what-you-made-me-do" scream. And what on earth would "system manipulation" exactly mean? Sounds like some pseudo-profound bullshit.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I think it's important to remember that these companies DID NOT CREATE THIS DATA! They are protecting things that are not theirs.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (7 children)

That has been his goal since he got forced to actually buy it rather than just boosting the stock so he could make a profit, which like most of his antics was really the only goal (publicity and money)

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

There’s a golden rule: don’t make big changes on an app on Friday because if it fails people are going to have to work during the weekend.

This asshole made the changes on a Saturday

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[–] JohnDClay 26 points 1 year ago

This seems extremely low for all categories. Good for getting people unaddicted though

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Almost certainly this isn't anything to do with scraping. Like with Reddit, those with a stake in Twitter stand to benefit from AI and, as far as I know, there's no mass reposting (retweeting?) effort to something like Mastodon.

That would be trivial to block anyway, since it would be easy to identity the service accounts and source IP's of the requests. No need to impact average users.

What's more likely is he hasn't paid the bill for his cloud infrastructure and no longer has the capacity to serve so many users.

IMO, that's what you get when you fire half of your staff.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Twitter was great during the big earthquake we had in Japan, because phones weren't working. People sent out tweets for help and got help thanks to twitter.

After this, a lot of municipalites made accounts and now they post emergency info on twitter, but this just fucks everything up.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Governments should build their own emergency communication channels instead of relying on platforms that are entirely out of their control.

If anything, it's a good early wake up call.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is for reading‽‽ That is absolutely insane.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I guess he found out that selenium script kiddies like myself can simply scrape the website instead of paying the api fees. It's not as efficient — or maybe my scripts just suck — but you can't beat free!

Or, more cynically, they're making the app more painful to use if you aren't paying for it.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are rumors that Twitter is having a dispute with its cloud providers, that is why they need to limit bandwidth.

[–] SirCrate 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No rumor, they outright refuse to pay bills

So much for capitalism

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Refuse to pay bills for your clouds infrastructure.

Refuse to pay rent for your offices.

Big brain time.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)

Great for the fediverse! I suspect that these changes to twitter and reddit are mainly a response to the growing hunger of generative artificial intelligence companies who are hoovering up data, basically for free. Change is never easy, but i'm optimistic that this is the break open source and federated communities needed to start taking off. I hope people can see the value in decentralizing and help support these open source projects financially so that they can really start to scale. The reality is, scaling is expensive, and we all need to help where we can. These Ai companies will not hesitate to suck up federated data also. If we want to live in an ad free world its gonna cost us.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

Hopefully this leads to Twitter not being the public square of the internet anymore at least mainstream wise. The man is doing everything to make the site worse.

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