Worth noting investigation by some users here on Lemmy have shown the situation to be really hinky. Probably just a troll race-baiting since no actual group has been found.
this post was submitted on 25 Sep 2023
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Good point .... so many social activities and actions now are so manipulated that you never know what anyone is doing.
Whatever information I read now ... I have to constantly stop to ask myself.... who wrote this? .. why? .. who does the writer represent? Who are they? What do they do? Where do they come from? What are their names and do they have a bio?
If I can't quickly verify who you are and what you wrote then I'm not believing anything that is said ... the same goes for the subject that is being written about ... who was the subject you wrote about? Did you find out who they were? Or what organization they represent?
I find I have to the majority of the work on my own in order to verify most of the junk I read online.
Officially recognised news media outlets are decent but even they have to be scrutinized in everything they say and write.
It's the age of information .... it's just that no one said it was disinformation, misinformation or just plain non-information.
Whatever information I read now … I have to constantly stop to ask myself… who wrote this? … why? … who does the writer represent? Who are they? What do they do? Where do they come from? What are their names and do they have a bio?
This is actually the hard part of actual "research": evaluating the source's qualities.
Every time someone says to me "have you heard about xxxxxxxxx yyyyyyyyyyy" I ask, "according to whom?".
no actual group has been found.
Could you elaborate on this? The article mentions both an e-mail address and associated Telegram group.
This sets off my bullshit detector too, but maybe I spent too much time on 4chan in the aughts.
I mean if you wander around Toronto enough you'll see some pretty bat shit stuff put on posts around town. Usually it's about "the Jews" or slightly more coded "Canada for Canadians" type stuff though.
I'd say a coin toss between a troll just trying for "shock", vs. some lone weirdo who really did a lot of online research on the Great Replacement and wants to use posters to get the word out.
I mean Her Majesty Queen ~~Roman Dildo~~ Romana Didulo I still rolls across the land, so I wouldn't discount the legitimacy of the poster outright. Still, it is pretty rage-baity, so decent chance it's just some trolling.
Wow, it actually says "whites only". This isn't some case of someone waking up angry and tweeting about christian mingle or someshit, its actually just racist.
Yes, racially exclusive associations are gross. Same with events that exclude attendance based on sex/gender. We are all people.
Same with events that exclude attendance based on sex/gender.
There's a time and a place.
For example, a "women's only" group may be for a group of women who are healing from a sexually violent relationship, so they really don't want to see men there.
But a parent and child group that excludes races? That just a gross kind of bigotry.
I get what you're saying, but bear in mind that women can be both in relationships with other women and those can also be violent.
Of course, there is nuance, but I was giving an example based on what I know exists and why.
ITT: a bunch of replies to the above from men who don't get what the problem is.
Big "not all men" energy. =/
it's reply guys galore
they really don’t want to see men there.
That's just sexism though
The women’s only group isn’t necessary
All SA victims are valid regardless of gender
For example, a “women’s only” group may be for a group of women who are healing from a sexually violent relationship, so they really don’t want to see men there.
"Maybe that whites-only parenting group could be healing from some trauma caused by POC and they don't really want to see POC there."
Do you see the problem? A POC causing you trauma is not a good reason to reject POC people in general, and a man causing you trauma isn't a good reason to reject men in general either.
A group dedicated to victims of domestic violence could easily encompass both men and women who have suffered from it, whether the perpetrators were men or women. Cis & trans, it bears saying.
A person who has a blanket phobia of people of a particular gender or ethnicity needs therapy to address their sexism/racism. "I don't feel safe around men" has the exact same energy as "I don't feel safe around black people".
“I don’t feel safe around men” has the exact same energy as “I don’t feel safe around black people”.
lol how to identify a dude on the Internet
lol how to identify a dude on the Internet
Is that the best argument you can put forth against what I'm saying? I can give you some more ammunition: I'm queer, disabled, atheist, an immigrant and vote green. Or perhaps those are collectives that you don't feel comfortable discriminating openly.
That was not an argument, don't know why you'd think it is one.
I just found it amusing
Children don't "see race", they go on "in-group" and "out group".
And if you're not exposed to people of other races, then that forms along racial lines.
This is why people opposed desegregation of schools/housing, and even shit like Alabama banning Sesame Street because it showed different kids getting along.
This is in my neighbourhood. Fuck these racist assholes. They do not speak for the far, far majority of people in this area.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
City officials in Metro Vancouver have described signs advertising a "whites-only" social group for mothers and children as "vile garbage."
On Sunday, social media posts about the "Whites-only Moms and Tots" group meant for families of European descent began popping up on Instagram and X, formerly known as Twitter, with many condemning the posters as racist.
Officials with the neighbouring City of Port Coquitlam said they had been alerted to the posters over the weekend and directed bylaw officers to search for them and remove them.
"As soon as it was brought to our attention, bylaw officers immediately searched the area and all bus stops, but no signs were present.
In its statement, Port Coquitlam condemned the signs and the group they advertise "in the strongest terms," adding that the city "promotes an environment without hate."
CBC News contacted the group through the email address provided on the sign, but did not immediately receive a response.
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FWIW I will never get the hypocrisy over race-based groups being fine for anyone but white people in the west lol. Yes, in reality the white group is always a quasi-neo nazi group once you pull a couple layers away in the west... but...
I'm just waiting for the pendulum to swing the other way on it. You'll get real-deal white people only groups just to poke a hole in the hypocrisy of the other groups ala The Satanic Temple. It'll just be a bunch of white people talking about their personal heritage of trailer park trash customs, video games, football legends, and maybe literal Folk European History lol. Then again I suppose that was kinda why the Supreme Court struck down Affirmative Action. Can't discriminate based on X.
FWIW I will never get the hypocrisy over race-based groups being fine for anyone but white people in the west lol.
It's because there can often be non-discriminatory reasons why you'd want to create an exclusionary group for minority groups. A group for First Nations or American Indians that focused on working on equality, or preserving culture. Groups that focus on racial justice or equality might not include the dominant race.
It doesn't even need to be minority by numbers, but by power. Curves is a gym where (some) ban men from joining. This is to provide a space where women feel safe to work out. Women are not a perceived numerical minority (at least in the US) but a minority in social and legal power.
If there was a white-only group that had a similar issue it focused on, I doubt people would be that upset. But white people (at least in Canada and the US) hold the most power and are a majority in many ways. So most of the above reasons don't exist for them. So there are fewer white-only groups and when there are ones you hear about, it's often because they are being exclusionary in order to discriminate.
I would also like to note from a US-law perspective, a lot of the above exclusionary groups don't actually prevent white people or men from joining. Some do with legal exceptions but it's rare.
Ironically there are what the poster above would consider "white" cultural organizations, organized around cultural lines. There's a Ukrainian Cultural Centre, a German Cultural Centre and an Italian cultural centre nearby. The concept of a "white" cultural centre the above poster suggests is something different though, and I don't really know how they would define it. I don't think they are complaining about the lack of an organization to put on Robbie Burns night festivities. Those exist.
The absence of a "white" cultural centre is a false dichotomy IMNSHO, based on the idea that there is some sort of pan-cultural white-only culture. In a Canadian context, I have trouble coming up with a cultural definition that would simultaneously encompass all the acceptable "white" cultures while also excluding non-whites. Everything truly Canadian isn't really whites-only, Canadian history encompasses multiple skin colours right from the beginning. I guess the English ex-pat clubs and the Robbie Burns Scottish clubs would come closest to that from a Canadian perspective, but those aren't strictly from Canada, and they do in fact exist. And no one complains.
Everything truly Canadian isn’t really whites-only, Canadian history encompasses multiple skin colours right from the beginning.
Even the early English and French settlers, while predominately white, didn't share much in the way of language or culture.
Indeed, even if you were to consider the Quebecois as a distinct subculture, a non-white Francophone is more a member of that culture than a white Anglophone.
Not a sociologist or an anthropologist, but a culture is composed of various cultural trappings, which include customs around food, dress, and language. There's not really a lot of room for a meaningfully defined Canadian culture that somehow excludes people with the wrong shade of skin colour. Butter tarts, Nanaimo bars, the Canadian "Sorry", much of what could be considered Canadian cultural trappings aren't that race based. Except maybe for Residential schools, but some things are better left in the past.
White American could be a thing but you just can't trust white americans not to turn it into KKK or/and Nazi vibes org.
One day we will get there.
I don't know. You're already getting pretty far into the concept of a subculture. Not an Anthropologist (and it's been a long time since I took Anthropology in University), nor a Sociologist, but as I recall a culture is already sort of a fuzzy concept. It comprises components such as beliefs, languages, behaviours, etc.
You are already starting to make some fine distinctions in order to define an American culture distinct from a broader English-speaking culture, I think. Obviously, there are difference between Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the UK and the USA, but you are already dealing with a largely common language. Although American's might not queue as well, or use the Canadian Sorry, there are some broad similarities that I wouldn't be surprised if some Anthropologists and Sociologists don't consider it a meaningful division between "cultures". At this level, there are plenty of non-white (for some definitions of white) that are a part of this culture. Arguably, predominantly non-white countries are equally a part of this larger global Anglosphere culture. Jamaica, Barbados, etc. Never mind the non-white people in the above mentioned countries. To get to a hypothetical "white" American culture, you are drilling down into some pretty specific territory.
I guess by definition, you could argue that there are "white" American subcultures. The KKK and alt-right would be two of them.
We're getting pretty far down the rabbit hole though. I don't really see a lot of room for a "whites only" North American cultural group that isn't pretty much just the KKK/alt-right/neo-Nazis/whatever. What would be the cultural trappings of this subculture?
I've now given this concept far too much thought.
Is it weird that I want to start a 'whites only' group with black and latino members?
There are white latinos, so... no?
Yes, in reality the white group is always a quasi-neo nazi group once you pull a couple layers away in the west… but…
So you know exactly what the problem is and why a "whites-only" group is suspect ... and yet you continued typing.
Weird call, brodude. Really fucking weird call.
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Weird call, brodude. Really fucking weird call.
That's what you're going to do, just ignore the rest of it as if it isn't inevitably going to happen and already does lol?
Spotted the member of the Whites-only Moms and Tots group.
You know minorities can talk about white people right lol?
Yes. Yes they can.
Not really relevant to you talking, however.
My what a bold self assured claim lmfao.