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Guardian investigation finds 98% of Europeans breathing highly damaging polluted air linked to 400,000 deaths a year

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[–] [email protected] 88 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I predict that nothing will change, we will carry on breathing polluted air, the situation will get worse but still, nothing will change.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Germans would say "Tja", shrug and then drive with their unnecessarily big car to the bakery which is around the corner to buy some Mettwurstbrötchen. Sitting then with their friends at a Stammtisch over a beer and talk angrily about how people need to change something before they fall into bed and forget about it.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Sound more like the U.S. than Germany - Germany has the €49/month public transport ticket, relatively good public transport offerings and a green party that has the best election results of the western industrial countries. Of course shutting down nuclear power plants didn't do them any favours regarding pollution.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Better window dressing. Still not doing enough.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

49? Damn, it's like €90 in Stockholm.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago
[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

We will vote for the same people, keep buying iPhones, and get distracted by stupid shit. As is customary.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 32 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Wood stoves are a major problem. As soon as it gets cold in Germany, air pollution rises from below 5µg/m^3 to 20-100 µg/m^3 and stays there for months (in this particular area).

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Wood stove smells good so acceptable air pollution.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

I know you're making a joke but this is how the majority of people view things like air pollution.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Does this mean we can go back to 2 stroke engines then? That would be amazing, I mean not for the planet but I love that smell so much…

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

The sound on the other hand..

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Absolutely.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Dang. In wildfire season here in western Canada, my air filter gets brought out well before the 100 mark.

[–] p1mrx 6 points 11 months ago

Somebody should tell them about the toasty glow of atomic energy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

As someone who lives in a wood-heated house, what do you suggest I do? I'd rather not freeze to death and I can't afford any other heating options

[–] can 4 points 11 months ago

#mega corporations

[–] [email protected] 27 points 11 months ago (2 children)

[...] Our food is unfit to eat, our air is unfit to breathe...

Luckily the world isn't going crazy or we live in a depression or the Russians are doing something or we don't go out anymore and the world is getting smaller.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwMVMbmQBug

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Hot damn, that's a movie I haven't seen in a while. It started off crazy and went even more nuts. It's like Fox News used it as a training manual. Soon we'll probably get a Mao Tse Tung Hour, too.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

Overlay it with a map of electricity emissions and it will fit nicely with a few small exceptions (like any small country neighbouring Poland, they will have bad air regardless of their own production).

https://app.electricitymaps.com/map

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

That's just the whole world

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Question is, how much do you trust the Guardian to do a proper research.

They claim no area of Sweden has twice the recommended value, but there are clearly orange/red areas near the very south near Helsingborg.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

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Are you thinking of Copenhagen?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I was thinking of Malmø with i said Helsingborg, which is further north ofc. Copenhagen is big (by Nordic standards), cramped and old. No wonder it has worse air.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

All of Skåne is still below 10 (less than double the recommended maximum)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Why is it so bad in Northern Italy?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's where all the Italian industry is at.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I was wondering if the alps also contribute by trapping the smog there

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Probably a bit. It's the Po valley after all. But it's mostly the density of industry.