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Exploding-heads.com is another instance on Lemmy where alt-right MAGA types tend to reside. Some people on this server want us to defederate from them immediately, some people want to save defederation as a last resort. They have 104 active users (more stats below).

It seems that exploding-heads has also experienced a recent botswarm invasion. This is obviously another point in favor of defederating them, assuming you are worried about botswarms, which is currently being discussed here.

My advice to you all is please try to discuss this in a civil manner, we need not allow them to create divisive conflict inside our communities. No matter how the vote turns out, you're not going to be able to defederate from your fellow sh.itheads so be nice.

I've linked many of the previous discussions below so people who are out of the loop can get a general sense of the situation.

https://sh.itjust.works/post/216888 https://sh.itjust.works/post/225714 https://sh.itjust.works/post/281126 https://sh.itjust.works/post/410325

Lemmy.world just recently defederated them.

https://lemmy.world/post/747912

https://lemmy.world/post/577526

Although this could be considered a point in favor of defederation, it actually means even if we vote to remain federated, people have a great alternative in lemmy.world where they can still participate in our communities and simultaneously be protected from exploding-heads.

Ensuring diversity of servers is beneficial to the platform as a whole, but it is also not our responsibility to bear that burden.

TLDR, just wrap up any last points in this thread before we open the vote tomorrow. Please be civil.

EDIT: To clarify, this isn't the official vote, this is the final discussion. The vote thread will be posted tomorrow and you will only be allowed to make a single comment saying Aye or Nay.

EDIT2: Vote thread is up, this thread is now locked. Very lively discussion thread sh.itheads. Please try to be more respectful next time.

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[–] goat 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

Nay, but only slightly. like 51-49

I like challenging them, and if sh.itjust.works defederates from them, I won't be able to! :(

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[–] Quacksalber -3 points 1 year ago

No to defederation. As long as their instance is not significatly impacting this instance, I'm against it.

Seriously, I have seen neither a thread nor one of their users on this instance.

[–] quickpen -3 points 1 year ago

“ Although this could be considered a point in favor of defederation, it actually means even if we vote to remain federated, people have a great alternative in lemmy.world where they can still participate in our communities and simultaneously be protected from exploding-heads.”

This seems like a great compromise.

If you feel so strongly that you’d like to continue to interact with everyone here, and you don’t want to see stuff from another particular instance, then this is a great option.

I vote no action is needed here on this instance.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

No, do not participate and block the communites if you want to. This should be a platform for free speech. Just because you don't like it does not mean it should be defederated.

I absolutely do not support what they say or do, but I think anyone should be able to discuss anything, not just stuff I support. That's what free speech is, and I am 100% against ANY form of censorship.

I haven't seen anything from them and I don't go looking for it. But if every instance defederated something they don't like, Lemmy will absolutely fail. No one wants to use 87 different instances so they have a complete experience. Every instance will be a special place for their snowflakes

[–] 0jcis -1 points 1 year ago

I completely agree!

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[–] PCChipsM922U -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I believe in freedom of speech and that everyone should allow or block something he/she doesn't like, so I'm against defederating.

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[–] thirdorbital -5 points 1 year ago (22 children)

Who here has concrete examples of content from exploding-heads that is objectionable and wasn't immediately downvoted, blocked, and/or banned? Terms like "Nazi bar" have been thrown around quite freely recently and it's giving me a bit of boy-who-cried-wolf vibes. Being conservative does not make you a Nazi. Being a troll does not make you a Nazi. Voting for Trump does not make you a Nazi. Perhaps some members of exploding-heads ARE Nazis, but calling any viewpoint you don't agree with as fascist or evil cheapens the term and prevents discourse.

I'm sure there is stuff on that instance that I won't want to see. But that's what the "block" option is for. When I first joined sh.itjust.works, nearly half of my /all was Hentai which I have no interest in seeing, and frankly found some of it disturbing. But I blocked those communities and now have an experience I enjoy.

Count me in the "defederation as a last resort when all else has failed" crowd. Over-fragmentation leads to less content, less engagement, and more echo chambers. If an army of Nazi bots suddenly floods us out, then we can take an appropriate action - but I have no evidence to suggest that is currently happening.

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