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[–] [email protected] 233 points 1 year ago (4 children)

To all the folks saying that reddit couldn't replace the mods, that it was too big an effort, that they couldn't run a big sub all by themselves, I have only one thing to say to you.

You were right.

[–] [email protected] 95 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks, I hate being right.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How fitting. There should be a community/magazine for this

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I'm sure users will step forward if they care. Otherwise, it's just a campaign optimization at work. Limit the breadth of organic content to deepen the brand-friendly content and push more paid media into the feed.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Yes they most definitely will...but increasingly such things likely will not happen on the Reddit platform, moving forward. There are actual reasons that the mods left - e.g. to moderate a sub of millions of subscribers takes effort, which needs tools to make that happen - and those reasons still exist.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Reddit is really on their way to become the next facebook.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Thing is, people stay on Facebook because their friends and family are on Facebook. Reddit is far more anonymous and therefore has far less inertia.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm sure users will step forward if they care.

This is the part I didn't quite get. Like I am sure that there were users who requested this sub in r/redditrequest after r/TIHI became unmoderated.

For some reason I don't understand, these requests did not pan out and it ended up getting shut down instead.

At the very least, users stepping forward doesn't seem to be enough on its own.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If I had to guess, there are too many users who would become appointed as moderators, then just shut down the subreddit again. The admins need time to filter through the applications to find the genuine bootlickers.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah I fully expect reddit to replace the moderators but it will take time and effort to select the right people.

If all the mods who protested actually resigned or moved their subs to being unmoderated it would've crippled the site, reddit would not be able to replace them quick enough.

It's unfortunate that the threat alone was enough to get most of them to reopen.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

From the one time I tried requesting a sub there, they don't just let someone have a sub if they ask and it'd be banned otherwise, they probably won't give it to you if you don't have mod experience for example (the reason I didn't get the niche sub I was trying to revive, which is reasonable enough), or if they feel that what experience you do have isn't enough that you'd likely be able to handle the particular sub. TIHI is a big sub, so they'd not just be looking for any random volunteer, it'd have to be someone experienced with moderating sizable subs, probably. And those people are, well, exactly the kind of people angry with reddit right now.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Reddit gave the snackexchange subreddit to someone who had no mod experience and hadn't participated in the sub for years. The person claims they didn't even ask for the position and only asked for the head mod to be removed. Reddit removed the top mod and made the person top mod.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Admin realized that despite all the applications, there were:

  • People requesting the subreddit so they could continue the protests.
  • People requesting the subreddit so they could give it back to the original mods.
  • People requesting the subreddit so they could own it.
  • People requesting the subreddit because they have strong feelings about "moderation" and want to /worldpolitics it.
  • Absolutely no one who wanted to just do what the old mods did.

From what I could see, there no actual good-faith requests from people who genuinely cared about /TIHI and wanted to moderate it well and diligently. And like, who's surprised? It's a huge subreddit without a concrete community core, it's more of a content category. I don't think anyone except the mods cared about the community itself, because there barely was one.

That's the same issue they're running into with the other large subs. They're too huge and too general and everyone is just another face in the crowd, so there are very few people who care about that specific space in the way that makes for good volunteer moderators - in most cases, when those people existed for those communities, they were already recruited into the old mod team.

And all the people who want to mod are either activists for the protest, the sort of power-hungry weirdos that end up as powermods, but who showed up to Reddit too late, or somebody with an axe to grind about moderation in general seeing an opportunity in the massive unmoderated subreddit.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Im halfway tempted to start claiming demodded subs and filling them up with instructions on how to move to their kbin/lemmy alternatives.
If they kick me out and ban me I won't find out cause I don't go into reddit no more.

Edit: of course they would never give the subreddits to me, but I find the idea really funny

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ever since Victoria got sacked, reddit doesn't seem to have anyone competent enough to run community relation anymore. They probably can't figure out how to vet new mods if they were to hire some.

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[–] [email protected] 100 points 1 year ago

Thanks, I love it.

[–] [email protected] 83 points 1 year ago (10 children)

TIHI was a fairly large sub, with almost multimilion level of subscribers. If reddit wanted to increase traffic and get more eyes on ads, they're doing quite a terrible job of it so far.

[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Reddit's stance has just been so bizarre.

So they want people to pay to not see ads? They literally sell that as a product, Reddit Premium. Why not tie API access to premium subscriptions? It's not even unprecedented; Spotify does this.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is literally the only reason I would pay for Premium access.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If they had come out of the gate with that being the change, I would probably have paid for Reddit premium. Now though, not a chance.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Being a cheapass, I would probably have made the switch to using their horrid app. But, it would have been my own decision to be a cheapass so I would've been fine using it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I can understand that line of thinking. In this instance, I think I'm w/ @bionicjoey on this one. If it was a choice of use their app or pay, I'd have paid. I refused to use New Reddit on the PC. I know folks that have gone to using the new app though (even knowing what we know now) and I guess that's ok. Their choice and all that.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

At this point, it's not about what is logical or sensible. Huffman would rather burn the place down than admit he was wrong.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

That's not totalitarian enough.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

That's not what Elon Musk would do, so spez doesn't like it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What I still don't get is why all these apps had to have a single api account for all users.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

To my understanding it's a somewhat reasonable approach that has its upsides and downsides. I believe Twitter apps were all designed that way back in the day as well.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It does not make sense to me why the API charge have to be calculated by total traffic of all users of an app either. I've decided to think it is just an excuse to get rid of third party apps until convinced otherwise.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not about the ads. It's about the telemetry you can get on user behavior from a mobile app. Reddit wants to leverage that as part of its ad sales package.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago

Once you have enough of it to live a comfortable life, money just becomes about power. So, what we have is some spoiled rich asshole who is used to having influence and power being shown that most of that was a gift. That gift has been recinded, and so the only control he has left is money.

He's spending some of Reddit's current and future earnings on stepping on necks. Because that's what the cash was going to be used for, in one way or another, anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I thought they would just take over or replace the mod list. Guess I was wrong

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fucking dumb to force them to reopen and then when mods say fuckit ban the sub. This is some bad parenting.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

But I thought millions of people depended on the communities involved and that’s why they had to reopen.

Doesn’t banning the community just fully go against their stated reasoning?

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And who are they going to have take over mod responsibilities (for free) in all of these communities at once? This is why mods need to call their bluff and force them to try to replace them.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Saw someone complaining about the protest in a thread where the top mod was offering up the sub to whoever wanted it. I suggested they (person complaining) go ahead and step up and ask to be a mod. They replied something like, “I don’t wanna be an E-jannie…[blah blah].”

These people assume that there’s plenty of other people who will step-up and take over. We’ll see I guess.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Whenever people say "Somebody should do something!" they very rarely ever add "and the somebody is me"

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Yeah this is the dumbest move possible. I can only assume they're trying to scare other mods into alignment because they can't replace the moderators effectively. Well, I'll cheers to their stupidity!

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Reddit: You can't be private, people need to see the content, reopen or else!
TIHI: No.
Reddit: Fine, mods are gone and we've reopened the community. People who want to be mods speak up
Crickets: Cricket noises
Reddit: This sub is unmoderated, so it's now banned so nobody can see it

So... Reddit just reclosed the sub they said MUST be open.

Sound logic. Real class act.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I personally never browsed TIHI. It was always one of those where linking it was more of a meme than actually browsing it in my mind. Similar to how a lot of people would comment "/r/unexpectedjohnmulaney" but very few people were actually subbed to /r/unexpectedjohnmulaney. Because who the heck wants a bunch of pictures of comments referencing John Mulaney jokes in their feed? It's the old "subreddits as hashtags" bit.

All that being said, it sucks because I know TIHI actually had more of a community than most "hashtaggy" subreddits. My understanding is it was a bit like a blend of ATBGE, MildlyInfuriating, CursedImages, or DIWhy.

Reddit is killing real communities, and killing their own history in the process. All those comments throughout the ages linking "/r/TIHI" now link to a dead sub. As much as I may have found those comments annoying, there were people out there who would click that link and go browse or maybe even subscribe to TIHI as a result of those comments.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

It’s only a matter of time until more subs start meeting the same fate. I’m glad to have found a new platform to move to. After reading the posts from the Apollo dev, it seemed like the writing was on the wall about Reddit

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

I was subscribed to it, RIP

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think it's funny that in response to this people are STILL insisting that it's easy to find new mods. TIHI, interestingasfuck, and shittylifeprotips have been closed for over a week because they have no mods. Before TIHI mods got banned, they offered multiple users complaining the option to take over moderating the sub and they said no.

How does any of this point to it being easy to replace mods? Delusional

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You would think that Reddit would have put some new mods in there right away (even if those "new mods" were just socks being staffed by Reddit employees) to put pressure on other subreddits.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So having all the mods quit is actually a viable way to protest? (writes down notes)

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is what "to cut off your nose to spite your face" means. To the letter.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

“its illegal to kill yourself!” kills them

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In for a penny, in for a pound I guess.

I didn't think Spez would literally drive his platform to ashes, I thought there was a middle ground, but nope he is going straight to the logical conclusion to all this.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What was r/TIHI? I can't get to the reddit site anymore, but even if I could, it probably wouldn't be very enlightening if the sub is already deleted...

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

@ausiematt "Thanks, I hate it"

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