Is walking better than biking? As I understand biking's more efficient.
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It depends. Expended energy/m is higher but space usage is much lower. For walking you arguably don't even need a paved path while (non-sport) cycling needs a somewhat even surface and places to store and lock the bike. It's not nearly as bad as with cars but even with cycling, space usage can become an issue in very densely populated areas; the Dutch don't build massive bike garages because it's cool (okay, maybe also a little of that) but because it's a necessity.
If it's near enough to walk, it's usually better to just walk.
More people are happy to walk than bike, and getting hit by a bike is worse than getting walked into by another person
I guess it is because of the tires
I feel like the amount of wear I put on my shoes by walking a certain distance is higher than the wear on my tires when I bike that same distance
Save mother Gaia, go barefoot as goddess intended.
Walking is better because if you can walk it means stuff is close to you.
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Bikes are actually greener than walking, because if you need to move, they allow you to have a greater daily range for a not much higher footprint (more efficient and 3 times faster).
What about production?
Embedded CO2 for a bike is like 100kg (that's what 4 trees in your backyard absorb a year), which over a lifetime of 30 years is negligible.
You say negligible, but what you mean is negligible on a scale of the CO2 emissions we are used to. Human body CO2 emission is just as negligible on that scale.
Ill do some quick maths: According to the first source on google, an average human burns 3kcal/min walking and 5kcal/min biking at 15km/h, which is about 3x as fast as walking. Considering that, we arrive at a difference of 1.33kcal/min by walking instead of biking. Estimates suggest 1.3g CO2-equivalents per kcal for average consumption (much lower for vegans), so thats 1.73g CO2/min. 100kg CO2 for bike production would take 57,800min of walking, thats almost 963h. An average bike will probably be used more so I guess you are right and bikes are indeed more efficient than walking :D
CO2 emissions that fall within natural cycles in terms of scale, are negligible.
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It's faster to make bikes than legs
It's also really green if you die riding one in places where it's completely unsafe to ride one like where I live. You eliminate your carbon footprint completely!
I was so excited to finally live in a city where I could actually ride a bike to work most of the year until I actually tried it.
Drivers are assholes, have no awareness of their surroundings, the rules of the road and they give zero shits.
Nope nope nope. I'll walk to the train
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#fuckcars
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But tanks are the perfect cure for traffic jam.
worked well in tiannenmen square (:
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Is c level a motorcycle or an e-bike? I've never seen an icon for an e-bike before, and if it is, I am loving the conciseness of the design. If not, there's no way a motorcycle is better than a line bus right?
Just a bonus note from a Dutch guy, the text just below say lekker blijven likken, or: 'just keep on licking'.
It's probably ebikes, mopeds and motorbikes.
I'm sure there could be an entire tier list for 2 wheeled vehicles!
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tankies in shambles
The missing S tier is a sedan chair being carried by 4 shirtless stud muffins.
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Yeah let’s send Ukraine bikes
I unironically want to see bicycle infantry back. Would also be a nice thing to have for the individual soldier, as time in the open is far more dangerous than being hidden or in a fortified position.
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But tank driving is a lot of fun.
How is a moped better than a tram?
Edit: I mean for the environment, I'm sure mopeds are better than trams in other ways - like for doing tricks and making quick runs to the supermarket to get bread and milk
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Driving a tank to hell is probably a good idea.
let's push those yachts and private jets down a few levels while we're at it.
Where do monster trucks lie on this scale?
Actually, serious question: How do most of you feel about car sports? Like if we managed to get a world where cars are not a necessity would vehicular sporting events also be purged? I'm not much of a race fan, but demolition derby and monster truck shows are fun.
The community is, I believe, about eliminating car dependency. Basically, it would be an ideal world if you don't even have to consider owning a car to participate in society. Car racing is like the difference between mountain biking and riding a bike around for your commute. There are worse practices than racing cars.
Nah dude, care can be really cool toys! I fully support Nascar, demolition derbys, monster trush shows, old car collecting, etc.
I just don't want cars to be the main way to go places, let alone the only one as it is in many places! It is bad economically, it is bad for people's health, and it is bad for the environment. Using cars for entertainment though really isn't an issue, nor is using them in situations where the alternatives don't work as well.
The pollution impact is fairly small and a lot of innovation happens in those competitions that might end up in ordinary vehicles.
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Image Transcription:
A sticker attached to a pole with a QR code in the top right corner. Down the left side are the letters A to G on coloured tags with arrow-angled right ends, and under G a black coloured tag with HELL written on it, in the style of the European Union's energy efficiency labels found on appliances. Each tag ranges in colour from dark green to red and increases in size the further down it goes. Each arrow end indicates a different silhouette.
The A tag is dark green and very short, the arrow end points towards the silhouette of a walking stick figure.
The B tag is a slightly lighter green than A and slightly longer, the arrow end points towards the silhouette of a bicycle.
The C tag is light green and slightly longer than B, the arrow end points towards the silhouette of an moped.
The D tag is yellow and slightly longer than C, the arrow end points towards the silhouette of a subway train.
The E tag is orange and slightly longer than D, the arrow end points towards the silhouette of a car.
The F tag is orange-red and slightly longer than E, the arrow end points towards the silhouette of a yacht.
The G tag is red and the length increase from F is almost triple that of previous length increases, the arrow end points towards the silhouette of an airplane.
The HELL tag is black and longer than G, the arrow end points towards the silhouette of a tank.
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So some errors:
- the C tag points to a silhouette of a moped, not an e-bike.
- the D tag points to the silhouette of a subway train, not a bus. You can tell by the wheel sets.
- most egregiously, the F tag points to the silhouette of a yacht
EDIT: As pointed out in one comment, it's the F tag pointing to a yacht, not the G tag. I corrected the post.
EDIT2: Our transcriber has updated their post to reflect the changes. Well done good person! 👍
i saw e-bike with C. I think one could see either
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