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The founding of America was a little rough but it's amazing that they got as progressive as they did. Seeing as republicans nowadays support removing those fundamental rights that some old men laid out hundreds of years ago.
Edit: guys guys calm down. Yes, I know about the slavery stuff. I'm just talking about the amendment, stuff like the first amendment about free speech. States like Florida immediately come to mind because they're trying to erase and change history.
got as progressive as they did.
Yeah the indigenous people of this land would like to have a word.
They mean we got progressively less indigenous as we killed so so many of them.
Republicans: all migrants have to go home!
Indigenous: so when are you leaving?
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The founding of America was a little rough but it's amazing that they got as progressive as they did.
Counterpoint: Name a single year in the US' history where it was safe to be black.
1618?
There was a brief moment where Europe was colonizing the Americas but hadn't yet started up the slave trade and ensuing racial caste system, so yeah it was probably fine to be black in the Caribbean in like 1500 (or at least no worse than being a typical poor white person shipping off to the colonies at that point).
Many of our founding fathers were progressive. But the ones with the most power were just rich assholes. If I remember correctly, George Washington stopped Philadelphia or the state of PA from trying to abolish slavery. Many also wanted to aboliah slavery in 1776, and... that didn't end up taking place.
The American political system was built to manage the contradiction of having 30% of the southern population being black slaves. It was designed to have a "democracy" where it would take 400 years from black people arriving as slaves to still being mass incarcerated and killed in random violence today.
You can't accomplish that without having some veneer of democracy and fairness otherwise it would have been overthrown in a slave revolt in 1850 instead of being kept alive by false hope in the civil war.
No, no, no. You just don't understand the founding fathers right. They never wanted to give people fundamental rights, they wanted to make a proud patriotic America! /S.
(Why does my sarcasm feel less and less sarcastic these days?)
They passed a law to stop slave importing that took effect decades in the future, and hoped shit-for-brains conservatives would naturally phase out slavery and avoid a civil war.
Whoops. Turns out we had to kill a bunch of traitors to get rid of slavery.
We never got rid of slavery. People like to ignore the full text of the 13th amendment: "...except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted". States just started passing laws to invent new crimes to selectively enforce, and slavery lived on in the form of prison labor.
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as someone who sees both .world and hexbear users in this thread its kinda funny seeing how stark a difference the reaction to the meme is
The Lib-th Sense
I made the mistake of checking out the thread from Lemmy itself instead of Hexbear.
I need a stiff drink now 
why don't I see .world users in this thread?
They preemptively defederated us before we federated the rest of Lemmy.
As a last resort, mind you.
Because they are cowards
My old high school friends quoting Prager U propaganda at me was the straw that made me finally quit Facebook a few years ago.
It's so sad that this shit can find so much reach.
People who call America an iredeemable, racist shithole are just as stupid as those calling it perfect and the greatest country on earth.
The truth is always somewhere in between, and if you deal in absolutes, you're either 5 years old, or just a massive moron.
The truth is always somewhere in between, and if you deal in absolutes, you're either 5 years old, or just a massive moron.
Just saying.
Yeah, pretty absolute statement there
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Only a Sith deals in absolutes
And only a Jedi deals in petty semantics
Are you an enlightened centrist? I basically feel that this country is barely redeemable. The working class people, yeah we are all family. I'll get along with anyone who doesn't literally want me dead for my beliefs. But activists and protests keep pushing the buttons of the system, and it just... it's barely moving. Even a little bit of power has people extremely resistant to auditing and reform.
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The US has been the Land of the Free* since it was founded. It is going to take a lot of work to break that as a single country. I don’t know if it’s honestly viable anymore. Sometimes I feel like we should just scrap the whole thing and try again,l.
*terms and conditions may apply based on race, gender, and wealth
They said the quiet part out loud 💀
Many, many people have died for the ideal that is America - created equal endowed by a creator with rights that cannot be taken away.
We strive to live up to that standard and it's worth fighting for. We fall short but it's important not to let go of the aspirations set by those that came before us
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Religious bigotry and racist thinking?
Think about Lincoln's Gettysburg address for a minute.
...conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal...
Which is a big fat lie. True only if you were a white male landowner.
If the union has not been founded on slavery then there wouldn't even have been a civil war to win/lose.
The founding fathers as a group were quite happy with slavery, racism, and sexism.
That's what the USA was founded on, that is the legacy it maintains today.
Massive crowd hooting and hollering
Socialist activist gives a fiery speech
Prager U hired chudface runs up, steals the mic
Shouts this, verbatim
...
Entire crowd of commies starts cheering, applauding, fist pumping in the air
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