Let's say they get this through the courts and are able to do it. How will they do it? Checkpoints at the border with mandatory pregnancy tests for all women? If you're getting an abortion for a non-medically necessary issue, you're probably not pregnant enough to be showing yet.
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I think this is a civil prosecution like Texas' abortion ban. So say you and a friend of yours live in Texas. Your friend was raped and just found out that she's 7 weeks pregnant. You help her get to a blue state for an abortion.
At some point, your friend tells her mother who happens to tell me. I sue you and your friend to collect thousands of dollars.
Now even if I'm unsuccessful, you still need to deal with the time, money, and stress that a civil trial brings. And if you're found to be in violation of that law, you could be out thousands of dollars. This is all intended to make people reluctant to help pregnant women. It's a cruel law designed to scare people into being crueler to others.
Remember when you needed to have standing to sue someone? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Only if you're trying to overturn one of these laws, see Whole Women's Health v Jackson. Which despite what's claimed doesn't protect SB8 style laws from judicial review, but rather protects them from such review before they go into effect and someone actually sues under them.
Any abortion travel ban is either going to immediately collapse under the commerce clause (leaving the state to have an abortion is necessarily an act of interstate commerce and federal government is the one with power over interstate commerce) or use Texas SB8-style civil enforcement, which means no one can challenge it until someone actually sues using it - at which point I'd get some activist group to make a fucking showing of taking women across state lines for abortions to bait a lawsuit under the travel ban so as to be able to challenge it.
It only takes one or two unsuccessful suits for this to not even be taken up by the courts in the future though, right? And I don't know how you can prove someone had an abortion out of state.
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Laws like this are designed to be deterrents. You don't need to catch very many offenders with checkpoints as long as you can create enough fear about the consequences of breaking the law to keep people from traveling to get an abortion.
Exactly, these are terror tactics, not things that they ever thought would work in practice.
I can't imagine anything good coming out of asking that many women if they're pregnant when they're not. That's the kind of mistake you make once, not make it a full time job!
You really don't want to ask an overweight woman that question. You might lose a few teeth.
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People are not gonna stop wanting abortions, they’re not gonna get comfortable seeing ten year olds give birth, you can’t legislate this away, so by taking and taking these rights from people you’re squishing them down more and at some point they’re gonna explode
they’re not gonna get comfortable seeing ten year olds give birth,
Citation very much needed. Religious/right-wing people don't give a shit about the lives of girls and women. This applies to religious/right-wing woman as well.
Ok but normal people also exist.
Where?
Yeah but in places like Idaho and Oklahoma and the Confederacy, they are electorally irrelevant.
Wait until some official has to deal with someone who had to watch their wife die from an ectopic pregnancy.
No I mean this is legit! When people do not have access to justice, they take it anyway. This could get grisly
Indeed, there might not be death threats to talk about on the news. Might just be deaths.
Where you can get a gun but not an abortion
I live in Texas, and can’t wait to gth out. This state has become so authoritarian it’s not even funny. Everyone is too busy being in everyone else’s business, especially if they think they can make a quick buck.
When I first moved here, it was a wonderful state to live in, but since djt was voted in it went completely backwards. The obvious racism, bigotry and hatred has really come to the forefront of life around here.
Not to mention the mentality that if they think it’s in the book of fairy tales, called the bible, then that is the supreme law. They are so busy pushing their beliefs on you, and telling you that you should believe in their ways, has gotten out of hand. IMHO texas needs to secede from the US so they can burn in their own personal hell. Let people decide for themselves what they believe and what they can do with their own bodies.
Fuck Texas! I didn’t move here to be told how to live my life.
I didn’t move here to be told how to live my life.
You kinda did though…Texas has a long history of dictating what people can and can’t do. They’re great at PR, but they never liked when anybody is or does something they don’t agree with.
Lawrence v. Texas was the exact case that made it illegal for Texas to kick doors down and arrest consenting adults for what they do in their bedrooms. Prior to that, cops could kick your shit in if they even suspected you were practicing anything but straight sex in the missionary position if they felt like it.
I e no realized this. My wife, born Texan, and I both are getting out of here asap. We’re going to Colorado and starting fresh their. I hate authoritarianism, especially in Texas. It’s the worst and I grew up in a red state.
good for you, dude
I think you meant to use 'there', though
I did, nice catch 😂
Just make sure you avoid Colorado Springs; it's one of the redder parts of Colorado.
We’re planning on moving to the Denver area. More to do and a little cheaper CoL. we plan on staying away from tourist areas since those are always more expensive.
I live in Texas, and can’t wait to gth out.
This is a major part of the GOP strategy.
Senator Josh Hawley from Missouri has openly acknowledged that the GOP strategy is to make it so miserable for Democrats in red and purple states that they will move to blue states. That would, in turn, cement Republican power in the White House, Senate and thereby the Supreme Court.
I know, but Texas has gone to hell in a hand basket, like most red states. Never realized how bad the GOP really was until the orange shitstain was in office
I left a decent paying job in Texas and it ended up being one of the worst and most expensive decisions of my life. Guess which asshat is going to be forced to try to get his job back and move back to the Regime of Texas..
My condolences. If you do end up back there, be sure to vote in every election!
It’s not much better anywhere. It’s getting expensive here in the sticks of eastern texas
This is the best summary I could come up with:
But, in Whole Woman’s Health v. Jackson (2021), the Supreme Court effectively shut down federal lawsuits challenging unconstitutional laws that are enforced solely by bounty hunters.
As the Supreme Court said in Shapiro v. Thompson (1969), “the nature of our Federal Union and our constitutional concepts of personal liberty unite to require that all citizens be free to travel throughout the length and breadth of our land uninhibited by statutes, rules, or regulations which unreasonably burden or restrict this movement.”
And, in a 5-4 decision, the Supreme Court agreed that this bounty hunter framework immunized the law from federal lawsuits seeking to block it.
That’s why it was so important to block the law before anyone was sued under it, and why the Supreme Court’s decision to immunize SB 8 from federal review was such a harsh blow to abortion rights in Texas.
Under that legislation, the ban on traveling through the wrong Texas county to help someone obtain an abortion “shall be enforced exclusively through ... private civil actions.”
But the law could wind up deterring women in abusive relationships, or other patients whose acquaintances or family members learn that they are seeking an abortion.
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Growing up, I used to always want to visit the US.
Now, I refuse to step foot in it. No tourism will ever be worth risking my life, or risking my partners life. I'll spend my money somewhere else.
I feel horrible for everyone who has to suffer because of these changes. It sounds less and less like what I once believed the US to stand for.