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Nearly 7000 arrive at Italian island in less than 24 hours (www.euronews.com)

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[–] CookieJarObserver 15 points 1 year ago

And back they go.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

The Mediterranean island of Lampedusa is a first point of arrival for people seeking asylum or looking to keep moving north to other European countries.

A flotilla of flimsy boats, crowded with migrants and launched from Tunisia, overwhelmed a tiny southern Italian island on Wednesday, taxing the coast guard's capability to intercept the smugglers' vessels and sorely testing Premier Giorgia Meloni's pledge to thwart illegal migration.

Compounding the political pressure on Italy's first far-right leader were vows by France and Germany to rebuff migrants who arrive by sea on Italian shores, and in defiance of European Union asylum system rules, head northward to try to find jobs or relatives in those and other northern countries on the continent.

Starting early on Tuesday, the unseaworthy, unstable iron boats came one after the other in what appeared to be almost a procession to onlookers on Lampedusa, a fishing and tourist island south of Sicily.

Provoking the surge in numbers was a bottleneck in Tunisia's ports of several days caused by rough seas that meant the smugglers couldn't launch their boats, according to Italian authorities.

Volunteers working with Baobab provide the migrants with a hot meal every evening on a street in Rome.

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[+] [email protected] -13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

vows by France and Germany to rebuff migrants who arrive by sea on Italian shores, and in defiance of European Union asylum system rules, head northward to try to find jobs or relatives in those and other northern countries

This is EU: united to share benefits, when catastrophes happen each one is left on its own. Afterwards, they wonder why there are so many eurosceptics. When Italy collapses (because it certainly will) they'll be ready to buy everything low cost.

[–] BakedGoods 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If Italy collapses it will be from being stripped bare by right wing politicians/organized criminals. Not this. That's absurd. You don't see Morocco or Turkey collapsing and those places are absolute shitholes run by morons.

[–] vreraan 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't know, I live in that country and the EU isn't doing shit to solve the problem, meanwhile we are drowned by immigrants in any city center I visited, with more and more thefts and teenagers being raped. This was before the Meloni government.

Now it's only getting worse due to the increase in smugglers.

(I don't support the Meloni government, it's the worst shit that could have happened to this country)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Bollocks, you're talking about your anecdotal impression while repeating the government false selling points without data to back yours or their statements.

Italy is 14th in Europe by ratio of immigrants compared to the resident population. Link. So, it's not that immigrants infested hellhole you picture.

"Secondo Eurostat, al 1º gennaio 2017 l'Italia era il quarto Paese dell'U.E. per popolazione immigrata, ovvero nata all'estero, con 6,1 milioni di immigrati, dopo Germania (12,1 milioni), Regno Unito (9,3 milioni) e Francia (8,2 milioni), appena davanti alla Spagna (6,0 milioni)[2]. Per numero di stranieri (inclusi gli apolidi) in percentuale rispetto al totale della popolazione residente, l'Italia si classificava al quattordicesimo posto (su 28) nell'Unione Europea (con l'8,3% di immigrati sul totale della popolazione). "

Crime in Italy is decreasing FAST. In this chart you can see how it went from the 90s. And it's still one of the safest countries in Europe and in the world.

Italy crime rate &amp; statistics for 2021 was 0.51, a 6.78% increase from 2020.

Italy crime rate &amp; statistics for 2020 was 0.48, a 9.74% decline from 2019.

Italy crime rate &amp; statistics for 2019 was 0.53, a 11.49% decline from 2018.

Italy crime rate &amp; statistics for 2018 was 0.60, a 4.31% decline from 2017.

Edit: let's paste another bit:

"Italy has a lower per capita rate of rape than most of the advanced Western countries in the European Union.[14]

According to Police authorities data, the rate of sexual assaults per 100,000 inhabitants is significantly higher in the Northern region than in the Southern ones. In 2009, Lombardia and Emilia Romagna were the regions with the highest rate of sexual offences per 100.000 inhabitants (9.7); followed by Trentino Alto Adige and Tuscany (9.5); Piedmont and Liguria (8.6); Umbria (8.4). In this respect, all major Southern regions like Sicily (6.8); Calabria (6.5); Apulia (6.2); Campania (6,0) were the safest in the national territory, with the only exception of Friuli Venezia Giulia (5.1) in the North.[15] "

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Nonetheless, since Meloni's went to power, illegal landings have almost doubled, in face of her promises of being this iron wall against immigration.

The EU IS doing a big part in handling the problem, I can tell you from first hand experience since my wife works in a center for underage immigrants. We're getting a HUGE amount of money from the EU to handle them, both in food, education and everything needed.

Thing is (and, again, this is from first hand experience), those funds are available upon request, and in the vast majority of cases local councils fail to apply for them. This is either because they're not aware of them, they don't have technicians specialized in these kind of legal procedures and bids, they fail to put in practice the requirements and all that.

So, again, incompetence has a big part. And guess what. What Salvini did recently was to make it almost impossible for immigrants to acquire work permits, in a show of "toughness".

The result is that you have a bunch of people already in the country who would be perfectly happy to do legally all the stuff Italians don't want to do (like working in the fields in the summer, cleaning etc, and can not.

So they end up in the streets.

The situation is complex, simplifying it into "my city is full of black raping people and the EU does nothing" is beyond ignorant.

[–] vreraan 4 points 1 year ago

I honestly don't know the statistics throughout the country, where I am currently (Vicenza) the situation is increasingly degrading, especially the train stations and parks, I assume because it is one of the stops before going to the countries further north. I don't doubt your statistics, Italy is a diverse country with many cities with different problems.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

The reason people are unhappy to do those jobs is because the pay is insufficient.

Bringing in foreign labour so that wages can be kept down is not the solution to that issue.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

'collapsing' in a european context means turning into the same shitholes these people are 'fleeing' from

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is the kind of narrow minded, uninformed point of view upon which all populists thrive.

"The immigrants will make the country collapse! Vote for me! I'll keep all those blacks away!".

No, 70k people will not cause a country of 65 million people, the 8th economy in the world, to collapse.
Incompetent governments will. As well as outdated economic policies, lack of innovation, excessive fiscal pressure and whatnot.
The footprint of a bunch of people who lives on 10 Euro a day isn't even a rounding error. Inflating their significance and supporting the ignorance of the subject is what brings right wingers into power.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thing is, just because you CAN endure something, does not mean that you HAVE to endure it. These illegals misbehave in public in unacceptable ways and so people's votes shift to the right. I still don't get why we don't just support these MILLIONS of working-age men to turn their own countries into something better and instead take in millions after millions for no fucking reason

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Totally agree... the shift this is producing in the public opinion is enormous and will have brutal consequences for the most fragile layers of the population