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If Reddit were to revert it's changes to 3rd party apps would you stay on Lemmy or move back to Reddit?

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For me, they'd have to

  1. Replace /u/spez
  2. Implement some sort of publicly auditable accountability re: shadowbans and database-level comment editing
  3. Open-source significant parts of their platform.

I have zero expectation that any of these things will happen. The most healthy way forward, for an open and free internet, is the meritocracy of the fediverse.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Did he get caught editing comments again? And the shadowbanning?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Not recently... I'm just completely out trust and benefit of the doubt based on the various controversies and where their (Tencent) money is coming from.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Trust is the hardest thing to reclaim once lost, and this isn't the first break. Big social is having problems, it's the natural course of things.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

This is a great point!

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The CEO just tripled down and said they are not changing their intended API pricing regardless of how many subs and users go dark.

Even if they did, I think a lot of redditors have been fed up with some things with Reddit (both the company and the first-party app) for a while.

Of course, there will be people who just don't care and will continue to go about their redditing as usual, and those who will go back. A fair number of my close friends don't care at all as they use the first-party app, have no complaints, don't moderate any subreddits, and don't follow the Internet news.

I would love to see my primary communities move over to federated social platforms. It reminds me of the Web1.0 and earlier Web2.0 days.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

The CEO just tripled down and said they are not changing their intended API pricing regardless of how many subs and users go dark.

Link? That's not good news :/

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I think that's from his AMA response

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Not just that, they also announced their intent to turn reddit into an even more ad-infested hellhole: https://www.redditinc.com/blog/investing-in-what-makes-reddit-unique-introducing-contextual-keyword-targeting-and-product-ads

This is the future of reddit in the official app everyone: https://www.redditinc.com/assets/images/site/image2.gif

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I wouldn't care. The irreversable damage is done.

Reddit's handling of the API change criticisms showed me how little they care about the community that keeps them afloat. The way the CEO's AMA pretty much ignored all API change criticism (including comments asking why the new price is so extortionately expensive) whilst lying about Apollo's developer threatening them.... They've shown their real colours.

I don't want to use a platform prioritising profits above everything else now. I used Reddit for over a decade and they've eradicated my trust in a few days. Even if they reverse the decision, it'd be a PR move to temporarily save their sinking reputation. They clearly don't care about moderators, users or anyone who actually makes Resdit the place it is (whilst begrudgenly adding bare minimum app exceptions for blind users becsuse they legally have to).

Its a shame, but at the same time I'm excited to see where things go from here. Reddit's always had a bit of a quality control problem due to sheer size. Maybe the mass exodus will lead to an alternative community discussion platform with a smaller, more refined, engaged userbase.

I'm actually excited to see where things go from here to be honest. Maybe Reddit will become a home of pointless content like memes whilst deeper discussion happens elsewhere. Maybe that'd be better, actually.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Personally, I don't see myself going back. I'll just chill with my new community here.

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[–] Wolpertinger 12 points 1 year ago

The last time reddit pulled some shit, I found tildes and expanded the sites I visited regularly/ semi-regularly (and reducing how much time I spent on reddit). Reddit reverting the latest changes will only minimize the damage on my end, as I'll be spending time here that I could otherwise be spending over there.

This stunt reduced the already diminished trust I have for reddit. Having migrated to reddit due to the digg v4 fiasco, over the years, reddit's decisions have been like digg v4 in slow motion. Each fuckup just causes me to further reduce the amount of time I spend using the site. One of these days, they'll cross too many of my red lines, and reddit will become completely useless to me.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Im not going back after that AMA they showed their face and it was very very ugly (not that spez looks good in person either)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Oh, so he ended up doing it?
Edit: Darn it, that's right. /r/AMA went private. Is the thread archived somewhere?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

I’ve returned to Reddit from Lemmy in the past, but this time it’s different. There are enough people posting content here now that it feels like a community (and not just a few nerds hoping it will take off). Never thought I’d say this but, thanks Spez for creating such a vibrant community.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I already like the community here more

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

They've already posted that they're going to "double down" on ads on their platform and they are not going to back down on the API rules: https://www.redditinc.com/blog/investing-in-what-makes-reddit-unique-introducing-contextual-keyword-targeting-and-product-ads

[–] starrox 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Reddit is absolutely, 100% certainly not going to step back on these change. They've made up their mind long ago.

But just for the hypothetical: I think they lost a LOT of trust with the two most essential parts of the community - users and mods. Also the company (or rather, its CEO) may have taken significant image damage due to the "AMA" spez did.

I think business will go on as usual, but the decline will be more and more noticable over time. It will go the way of Digg. Unless of course reddit decides to hire moderation themselves. But we all know they probably wont want do do that. The course seems set to selling the data they have already accumulated.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I doubt reddit will hire mods, they've been crying the platform is not profitable, imagine having to pay several millions more, tho reddit without mods is dead.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nope. Everyone makes mistakes. But you don't go full Armageddon on the people whose blood, sweat & tears built you up from diddly, and then say "oopsie." It don't work like that, Spez. Have fun with your IPO.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I don't intend to go back nearly as much as before, even if the changes are reverted (unlikely, imo). A lot of the aspects of Reddit that I didn't like - but tolerated - are generally not found here, at least so far. While Lemmy still leaves things to be desired, it just feels better to engage with.

However, I may still add " reddit" to the end of a search query to avoid all the bloat articles that crop up in a search. There's still a wealth of useful information on Reddit from all those years for even the most niche questions / topics.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I will admit that I'd keep RiF on my phone just to doomscroll in airports and whatnot. Though I think I'm going to stop my desktop use (90% of my use) of Reddit regardless. The writing is on the wall for old.reddit.

[–] basis 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’ll be staying no matter if Reddit reverses their decision. The communities I’d like to follow might be smaller here, but I’m sure they will grow.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I don't trust Reddit any more. I made a comment elsewhere about why.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Reddit showed their hand and I'm just done with all these corpos. Reddit is my last hold out and I'm slowly leaving that too. I'm moving to the decentralized FOSS future that I believe in where we the people have the power.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

It wouldn't matter at all, because it's just a matter of time before they implement such features and don't back down.

They'll just continue shit-testing us until the blowback isn't enormous if they go this route.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

For me at this point I think Steve Huffman would need to step down along with a step back of their changes. I can't trust the platform given his track record.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I haven’t been a daily Reddit user for a long time, if Apollo stayed active and useable I’d keep it loaded on my phone but I’m into the vibe on lemmy and want to be part of it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

use both lemmy and reddit

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'll use both then. reddit is still unparalleled for support, simply because of its sheer size

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

It's not really about the API and third party apps anymore. Arguably never has been. This is really about the IPO, and the clear signal that Reddit has every intention of making your experience worse if that means they can squeeze more $$$ out of you.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think if this works out I may switch permanently if they back out. If not I will only use Reddit as the occasional info lookup and use this as my β€œsocial media”

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would stay on both. Keep reddit just for the more specific subreddits I like that aren't big here.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I fully support all the reasons for ditching Reddit altogether, but if I can’t use Apollo, I’ll only ever use it on desktop, and even then just to look stuff up via Google.

Installed Mlem and have committed to making this place a good one.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I prefer the smaller crowd here. Reddit just feels like a mall these days. Between all the bullshit, tencent, ads and assholes, I’m not looking back.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I don't think I'll go back except for niche content/communities I don't expect to see here for a while.

[–] toodazed 4 points 1 year ago

I'm not going back, epescially since Apollo will be shutting down. I'm looking forward to what the dev can do with the Mlem iOS app, and I'm very interested in the community that is being built here.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Been on reddit since 2010 and over the years I've gotten less and less interested and the only subs I still had interest in were the niche fashion communities.

I'm gonna be the change I want to see and created the lemmy community for one of my favorite brands (Supreme) and over time other ones will fill out the space. I'm also gonna join a patreon discord for better fashion discussion than the reddit subs anyway and was something I'd been wanting to do anyway before the recent events.

With those as a replacement I should be fine. I'm also way more excited about investing into an exciting new community with lemmy that reminds me of the early reddit days. Reddit will only continue to get worse as it gets more corporate and terrible in the same way Facebook and other platforms went downhill over the years. Lemmy is on the come up

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