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I'm just showing these comments I saw earlier, which were interesting. Since it is true, that we've been hearing that "Russia is cornered", since the invasion started. I personally just want this shit to end.

These comments are relating to an article from this week.

I wonder if we will ever know what truly happens on the ground (i.e. when it comes to casualties and many other things)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Literal Ukrainian living in the country on the verge of being drafted into the meat grinder: pls stop the war yes-honey-left

Huge brained liberal who is better than them: Sorry sweetie, time to go die to own PUTLER maybe-later-kiddo

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's so nice to see so many people so concerned for Ukrainian lives and how they are lost fighting Russia.

I wonder how all of you imagine Ukraine fighting back without even this limited western help. How would this look like and what kind of casualty rate would you expect as Russia would profil their fantasies of removing Ukrainian culture and erasing their nation from history?

Because let me tell you, that doesn't sound a very peaceful plan and certainly Ukraine is having non of it. Helping them with everything we can seem a way more peaceful plan. But hey, that's just me, I not a deranged putinist jerking off on his picture like some people here, so I might have a different view.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

their fantasies of removing Ukrainian culture and erasing their nation from history

gonna need some sources on that one

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

https://twitter.com/narrative_hole/status/1695548095877017857 ukrainian culture be like:

"A crowd of Ukrainians sings the anthem of the OUN, a BRUTAL Ukrainian WW2 organisation that massacred more than 100 thousand people while fighting alongside German N@zis.

Led by Stepan Bandera, it is considered a role model by Western Ukrainians to this day."

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As someone who is very much pro-Ukrainian in this conflict and has talked to many Ukrainians, anyone who believes the hype that Russia is days away from collapsing (again) or that Russia's army is made entirely of uneducated starving peasants who have never held a gun before is taking crazy pills.

War economies can last a very long time, and this kind of attritional artillery based warfare on both sides (they started with almost the same doctrines) with a contested airspace is an absolute meatgrinder.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Curious, what is your rationale behind describing yourself as pro-Ukrainian.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (14 children)

There's a few different aspects to this:

1st is that having a successful war of naked conquest is a very dangerous precedent to have. If this is normalized, then we're going to see a lot more armed conflict. I've seen people here claim all sorts of justifications for Russia's actions, but Putin himself in the announcement for the "special military operation" was waxing nostalgic about the Russian empire of Catherine the Great. He's been relatively clear in his statements what he's doing and why. He wants to build a new "Ruskiy Mir", where whether you want it or not, Slavic peoples will be absorbed.

2nd is nuclear proliferation. Ukraine gave up it's nukes for security guarantees from the US and Russia. This sets the precedent that the only way to be truly safe from wars of aggression is to have nukes and threaten your neighbours with them.

Combining these 2 points, to prevent nuclear proliferation and naked imperialism, Russia must not only lose, but be seen to lose internationally and unequivocally.

Finally, there's the self-interest here: if Ukraine was to lose, Moldova goes next. Moldova would barely be a speedbump to Russia. Moldova is extremely close to Romania, we share a culture, language, and Moldovans get automatic Romanian citizenship if they want it. I have close Ukrainian friends too, but it's different when you share a language and culture.

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