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[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

As we dont have the gaps in my country my guess is it a US interpretation of Jeremy Bentham's panopticon as applied to the shitter.

I expect in the USA people, particularly the out groups, are believed to be inherently criminal/immoral and need to be observed to make sure they aren't doing anything undesirable.

As the US public toilet is primarily a place for moral judgement and not elimation of waste you then get the crazies questioning if people's gender and equipment meets moral standards for use of the facilities based on casual assessment of their appearance.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago
  1. Cheaper
  2. So they can be sure you're not secksing or drugging
[–] eletes 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The only reasonable reason I've heard is it makes it easier to clean/prevent mold growth. Like y'all don't need to worry about drug users at the office.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

You'd be surprised.

[–] [email protected] 100 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Occasionally I hear people argue it's so you can catch IV drug users without bursting in. Personally I think it's that capitalism cares not for your happiness and it's fractionally cheaper to have shitty doors, and so that's what people do

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago (5 children)

No its not a profit saving thing. It makes no difference cost wise to save a few cms of wood. Its intentionally designed that way. Go to any other capitalist country than America and you won't see gaps.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

It makes no difference cost wise to save a few cms of wood.

The cost savings is not only in materials. For manufacturing, lower quality materials and larger tolerances. Time to install and repair is lower because of how open the design is. Time to clean is lower because you can just soak the floor and mop without worrying about each stalls' corners.

Brutal efficiency at the cost of comfort and privacy is what capitalism is all about. The US is just used to it and somehow also incredibly puritanical.

That said, efficiency isn't a bad thing. There are some countries with some bathrooms that don't have stalls - legit indoor public bathrooms where you just squat over a hole or urinals that are just one long wide trough. It's about what you are used to.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Nah I refuse to accept its for efficiency or cost savings. Thats so negligible no one would bring it up. Especially at the scale these are being constructed.

Ive seen a ton of arguments like "oh its to save costs installing if the floor is uneven" or "it gives leeway for different cuts" or "its for cleaning" but these are things can can easily be designed around without having a gap that leaves the user exposed. Either Americans are to stupid to design around this constraint (they aren't) or theyre intentionally leaving it in for some reasons and there is plenty of speculation on the reasons.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You're correct, those things are avoidable and can be designed around. However hiring the people who know how to do that also costs money and it's cheaper to hire shitty engineers who do things safely instead of well. We're not stupid, we're exploitative

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

If you're gonna build hundreds of thousands of bathrooms you can afford a decent engineer to make a door. Look at any other country, even the poor ones.

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[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 week ago (3 children)

For all the puritanical shame Americans have of their sexual organs, we sure are lax when it comes to giving a little privacy when taking a shit and sometimes even just pissing in a trough.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 6 days ago

It also feels somewhat ironic that US hosts/makes the largest amount of porn

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's because of the puritanical shame- without those gaps, people might (gasp) have sex in bathroom stalls instead of doing their business as god intended.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago

I mean, walking by and seeing

How could you not?

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 1 week ago (9 children)

maybe you can't make the doors fit the stalls properly because you don't use the metric system.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Am I too non-USA to understand this?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

All you need to know is that toilet stalls in the USA (and Canada) have huge gaps around the doors, unlike other countries. You have to carefully position your head so you're not making accidental eye contact with people outside, and somehow relax knowing everyone can see you taking a shit.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 week ago (7 children)

The stalls at my work have zero gaps whatsoever and the door/walls (which are made of wood) go almost to the floor. There's fairly high quality locking handles that indicate whether or not it's occupied. It's amazing and I don't know of any other public restroom in my area like it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

I've worked a couple places where the stalls were like that. There are fixtures they can add to the gaps to cut them off.

Also, places that have all-gender group restrooms typically install gapless stalls because of obvious reasons.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Really? That's what I'd expect even in a run-down public toilet in a train station over here in Austria.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Y'all have standards. Rights, even.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

-over here in insert anywhere but the US.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

So trans women can be discovered, I suppose.

(Edit: immediately after posting this, it’s prolly way too dark but I’m leaving it there. Also it me, a trans woman terrified of using the stall for this exact reason.)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

It explains why there is the debate about which toilet to use for trans people. They can see the other sex naked. It would not be an issue if the doors didn't have gaps.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I’ve always believed that the whole stall concept was developed by some kind of pervert.

I mean, even when they grant proper visual privacy, that’s just one of our five senses. You can still hear and smell what’s going on next door - and I swear in some cases just about taste it.

To me, “privacy” means all senses.

Not to mention having weirdos peek over the top of the stall, which has happened.

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[–] Gates9 31 points 1 week ago (3 children)

As an American, experiencing European toilet stalls was one of the first tangible experiences where I was like “woah we are definitely doing it wrong”. Thanks, uh…Europe.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago

Going to Tokyo and every toilet being a sing-along butt rinser made me realized western toilets are barbaric.

[–] samus12345 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Except for the ones where you have to pay, I can do without that.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago (2 children)

If it means I'm getting a clean toilet, I'd rather pay a Euro for that

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It's never an either/or situation. Like, what, that Euro pays for someone to rush in after every use? Or is it a meaningless transaction meant to cause difficulty.

[–] samus12345 7 points 6 days ago

I remember some pretty nasty pay toilets in Germany, but it of course varies.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Hold up.. you mean to tell me that there were stalls available for pooping even though as an American I've been taught my whole life that those gaps exist so people don't do sex in them?!!?!?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I assume it's because it's cheap infrastructure.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yeah, being literally as cheap as possible is the main design driver for poop stalls with large gaps. Very forgiving installation, so the cheapest possible labor can put them in to inconsistently built bathrooms with cheap parts using the least amount of materials on the cheapest hinges with the cheapest paint and cheap replacement parts when whatever is in there fails.

Also cheap to repair when it breaks.

Also, some amount of gap at the floor level means the whole room can be sloped down to a single drain when a toilet backs up instead of being contained in a single stall. That is also cheaper.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Even worse are the urinals without dividers.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Ever used a trough?

It’s almost like that

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Ugh, the county fair piss trough 🫩

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You're all complaining about the gaps, but I once walked into a bathroom which had 5ft doors. The moment I walked in I locked eyes with a guy taking a dump.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Let’s not forget the people who attempt to open the stall, notice that it is indeed locked, then proceed to knock on the door

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

So you don't suffocate in there.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (3 children)

they explains why everyone in Europe is dead by suffocating in public toilets.

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