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Edit for context:

My view is transracial isn’t valid and this person is trying to dogwhistle. I’ve already blocked this person, and now they’re going after my friend saying my friend is transphobic because they disagreed with them about transracial being a thing (they're purposefully leaving the context out so my friend looks transphobic when what my friend really said was transgender is valid but transracial isn't)

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago

I genuinely don't know enough about what people who claim to be trans racial are even saying and why they're saying it to form an opinion on it. My gut feeling is that it isn't valid and they're bad actors, but my gut has been wrong before.

So if someone told me "trans racial is just as valid as trans gender" I'd either not respond or just say "I don't know about that." and leave it at that.

Gentle reminder that if you believe someone is a bad actor and using dog whistles there isn't a point in responding to things like this because you aren't going to change their mind.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

The best way is asking: what's your point? Is it that transgender shouldn't be accepted or that transrace should?. And proceed from there to either defend transgenderism or criticize transracism accordingly.

First let me start by saying I strongly dislike the race therminology, but I'll use it here for consistency, although normally I would call it ethnicity.

The difference between those lies in that gender is a social construct, and race is not. Race has some biological meaning, just like sex, people can't change their sex (yet), they can't change their race (yet).

Gender is a social construct, it's things that have nothing to do with biology but that we as a society attribute in general to a specific sex. A similar concept for race would be culture, a person can be of the sex male but prefer to wear clothes usually associated with female sex, just like someone can be of the white ethnicity but prefer to hear music usually associated with black ethnicity. I wouldn't call Eminem or Michael Jackson transrace, what would that even mean?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 12 hours ago

Does it really matter if someone is either

[–] [email protected] 37 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (7 children)

No race, no gender. No problems.

Gender anarchism and race anarchism. People be just people. Social constructs shall not be a dividing reason, let everyone behave however the hell they want as long as they don't hurt others and be happy.

Also US race concepts are kind of weird in general. I suppose the history of slavery and segregation did a number on people's perception of race.

[–] agamemnonymous 2 points 4 hours ago

This is exactly why I think "transgender" does more harm than good and I'll die on this hill. What's the point? The people who are going to accept the way you express yourself aren't going to care if it conforms to gender stereotypes, and the people who aren't won't suddenly change their minds if it does.

All it does is reinforce the very same stereotypes that gave you gender dysphoria in the first place. It's saying that gender norms are valid, you just got assigned the wrong ones. Live your truth, express yourself how you want, alter your body however you want, but don't validate oppressive stereotypes in the process.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 17 hours ago

Literally the only rational answer. Stop giving a fuck about what people look like unless you’re explicitly looking for someone to fuck

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 15 hours ago

Depends if I have time and I want entertainment at that moment, I know they are trolling and don't care and usually people just want to get me angry at them so I calmly responded to everything they say as it's a real legitimate question, treat every question as if there truly caring about it. Most people will just back off after a bit because they can't get me all angry and pissed off. It's quite entertaining watching them get angry and wound up because I was trying to answer them honestly and nice way. Doesn't always work but it's just something I do I learned really pisses off those kinda people

[–] [email protected] 3 points 15 hours ago

Why not ask more questions about it? And if they insist it does no damage, it wouldn't matter either way

[–] [email protected] 8 points 19 hours ago (15 children)

Transracial doesn't exist because "Race" in the context that they want to use it doesn't exist.

Genetically there's only one "race"; that's the human race. If they want to identify as a different culture, it's purely a cosmetic cultural thing, not biological or genetic. Whereas as being Transgender is biological. Therefore, you can safely tell people like Rachel Dolezal to fuck off and go back to fifth period science class.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Gender isn't biological. You're conflating with sex

[–] WoodScientist 6 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Well trans people, if they medically transition, quite literally change their sex.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

If they don't, they're still transitioning their gender. Exactly how much they decide to change themselves doesn't matter. That's the point of the term.

[–] WoodScientist 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Trans people transition BOTH their sex and their gender. The term "transgender" is a broad umbrella term. But most people under that label do seek to physically change their bodies. You're arguing semantics, I'm arguing the lived experience of living breathing human beings.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

The it sounds like you should be arguing for different semantics. Ones that match the experience of living breathing human beings.

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[–] WoodScientist 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

The differences between the sexes is much less than people like to pretend. Every cell in your body has different modes it can operate in. Many, perhaps most, cells have estrogen-dominated and testosterone-dominated modes. If you change the dominant hormones in the body, every cell in the body switches between these modes. Trans people who medically transition are simply taking advantage of the body's existing mechanism of secondary sex characteristics.

Ultimately, any person could have a male- or female- typical phenotype. If you put the right hormone injections into a fetus at the right time of pregnancy, an XY fetus would be born with a vagina and a uterus. And the opposite is true as well. These conditions sometimes happen naturally with intersex conditions. Every human body has the potential to develop along a male- or female-typical path. It's just a matter of what hormones are passing through the body at what stage of development.

But race? There's no comparison. Cells don't have different expression modes that correspond to different racial phenotypes. There are no "black hormones" that a white person could take to gain many of the characteristics of black bodies. There is simply no equivalent to the medical transition process many trans people undergo. There is simply no equivalent to the fundamental rewiring of the body that occurs on a cellular level with trans medical treatments.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (2 children)

Are you saying hormone injections or other medical measures are necessary for you to consider someone transgender? I'm pretty sure most people wouldn't agree with that. Correspondingly why would that be required to be transracial? You're right that hormone differences aren't involved in race, but how does that invalidate the whole concept? TBH it sounds the same as the anti-trans argument, "it just doesn't make sense." I mean I can see people reacting like, "If we allow this then it would be easy to abuse." Well maybe, but that seems like another issue. I'm just now dipping into this and trying to understand it.

[–] WoodScientist -1 points 5 hours ago

Those who seek outrage will find it every time. Yes, obviously there are some trans people that don't seek out medical transition. That's why I said "trans people who medically transition." But language can be overly inclusive. We don't need to start every single writing on trans people with three paragraphs describing every exception and caveat. Obviously when you talk about a group, any group, you have to talk in generalities. If you insist on starting every comment about trans people with paragraphs of caveats and provisos, you make actually getting to the point impossible. You water down the language to the point of uselessness. At at time when trans rights are under assault on all sides, I don't mind focusing most trans discussions on the material realities and needs of most trans folks.

Most trans people want to medically transition. Are those that don't somehow invalid? No. But we also don't need to start every discussion with a thousand caveats describing every sub-category within a group. There are atheist Jews and there are gay Muslims. That doesn't mean every discussion of those faiths is centered around these rare exceptions.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

I feel like your over focusing on the medical aspect

I took to mean like how you compare say breeds of dogs. Both a golden retriever and a German Shepard are both dogs,.both k-9 members of the space species.

All fo them have the biological ability to be both male or female as it's a secondary trait controlled by hormones.

While race is basically genetics and your DNA. You cant just edit your DNA and rewrite your body to express characteristics of another race.

You can't just make your body suddenly become a red head, or grow an afro. You can't just suddenly force your nose or cheek bones to rearrange themselves.

You can't just shrink to lengthen your bones.

Most of what makes up human "races" is just the breeding of our ancestors.

In the future we may be able to change all of this and custom design out bodies. But that wouldnt be a natural change unlike hormone therapy.

Instead of taking advantage of a natural ability of the body, you would be entirely overruling it and entirely creating something new that isn't natural.

Basically you would be performing eugentics. For good or bad.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I feel like we're not even having the same conversation here. I explicitly object to the argument that medical measures are necessary to validate a trans concept. You say I'm focusing too much on that, then explain that being transracial isn't valid because of exactly that.

Saying you can't make your body change in the various ways you list invalidates being transgender - you can't make your body naturally produce the hormones to create secondary sex characteristics, you have to artificially take them. But again, so what? I don't think the body changes are relevant - if you're trans then you've always been trans, you just might not have understood it. To me the transracial concept seems equally valid, and I don't see how your biological objections relevantly differentiate them. I mean, you're not even being accurate - people do modify themselves in all the ways you list. Cosmetic surgery and body mods are more than a $100 billion/year industry in the US alone. I just don't see how you're making a point.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

It's nonsense because race is a social construct.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago

But so it's gender, so this isn't really a good argument is it?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

someone said that in a thread on lemmy early, i cringed. it seems the only people that think transracial is a thing is primarly done by white people. i wonder if thats the same person were talking about.

and yes i was thinking about rachel dolzal. or white people claiming they are native american, because they have less than 1-5% of thier dna, your still a white asf guy. and a white guy pretending that he is filipino, because he drives a tuk tuk.

[–] actionjbone 57 points 1 day ago

Block them.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Is there something like "trans smart"?

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The best way to respond is to disregard them, block and move on. Transracial is an actual thing, but it refers to people of one race adopted by another. Transracial ala Dolezal is just a troll to attack trans people, no different from attack helicopters.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

"You are wrong. Gender and race are two different things. Transgender people have been around since time began, transracial was invented few years ago to appropriate and diminish transgender people's experiences. it's not transphobic to be against something that was recently invented to invalidate transgender people. ciao"

but tbf it seems like that person's tryna start shit so I'd just block and report em

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