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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 days ago

It's not an either/or situation.

In the (supposed) words of Al Capone

You get a lot more from a kind word and a gun than from a kind word alone.

Critically however, a gun without the kind word is also far less effective. They are like the tip and shaft of a spear. The shaft has the range, but lacks the punch. The tip has the punch, but lacks the range. Together they are far more than the sum of their parts.

In terms of protest. A peaceful protest is like the kind word. It's a polite but forceful delivery of a message. Radical action and violence are the gun. They work best as an implied threat. The target much know that you are willing to escalate, if required.

Too much violence, and you have a riot. These can be put down with force, and have little to no public backlash. (This is what trump currently wants to happen).

Too little violence, and the protest can be safely ignored.

The perfect balance has enough to keep the government on their toes, but not so much as to drive away supporters, and burn off the anger powering things.

Currently, Trump and co are trying to goad people into over reacting and justifying an aggressive crackdown. In light of that, a message of don't take the bait, err towards passive over violence isn't so bad.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago (20 children)

Democrats drove away all the fighters by attacking anyone who was the slightest bit controversial or politically incorrect for the last 40 years. Basically the party was taken over by fools and cowards. This is our opposition party, and this is why we're screwed. Ban Fox News.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 3 days ago (14 children)

Remember when the founding fathers held a peaceful protest in Boston and the British were like, "Woah, we better Bach the fuck up"?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Um, a lot gets done without violence, including regime change. In fact, nothing swells the numbers of a movement like state brutality on peaceful protests, and that is amplified with the ubiquity of the cell-phone camera and the internet.

This is not to say a movement by violence is bad, just that it can detract sympathizers.

But don't worry, when the regime has to choose between giving up (say in the face of a general strike) and sending out the goons, they'll always choose the latter. No one tosses the One Ring into the fires of Mt. Doom. It's the same paradigm that leaves us with senile geriatrics unwilling to relinquish the power of office until it is pried from their cold, dead hands.

Usually, by then, the military has realized the regime is illegal and as luney as Aerys II Targaryen (The Mad King, who Jamie slew, SoIaF) and is willing to do the wet-work. By artillery if necessary.

Then again, destruction of property like burning the Waymo cabs, is a common necessity. That wasn't the act of rioters, but saboteurs. Waymos are snitches and have been reporting to ICE the location of targeted civilians.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

in the grand scheme of world history, a hell of a lot more has gotten done with violence than without.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

You obviously haven’t seen the litigation tracker for this particular regime. Lots has been happening.

Going violent is what trump has been baiting for. He’s looking for a reason. Don’t feed the troll king.

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[–] pelespirit 30 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Here we go again,

The Peaceful LA Protests of June, 2025 worked. We're all talking about it now. If the LA protests weren't peaceful, we would have different talking points for this weekend's protests and protesters would have been killed. This administration wants this.

YSK - That there is a lot of trolling and brigading starting to happen around the LA peaceful protests to start violence. Here is a roadmap from 2015 on how they do it.: https://sh.itjust.works/post/39873361

Also, this:

Nonviolent protests are twice as likely to succeed as armed conflicts – and those engaging a threshold of 3.5% of the population have never failed to bring about change.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/22/protest-trump-resistance-power

[–] [email protected] 52 points 3 days ago (7 children)

How did they work? ICE is still in my neighborhood snatching people up

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

They're fucking brainwashed. They equate just protesting with some victory in their heads. No matter how small, every protest is some achievement

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

In the lib's mind, protesting is not a tool, it's the goal on itself. Just show up, wave a little flag and the bad guys will magically change their mind like it's a fucking movie.

It's all performative actions.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 days ago (4 children)

This administration already called in the national guard for a peaceful protest. Do you think that it will stop here and the they will not continue to commit more and more violence against peaceful protestors until we reach a breaking point and have to start defending ourselves?

Or are we supposed to allow ourselves to become martyrs and die before we fight back against those that would see us dead.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 days ago

Nonviolent protests are twice as likely to succeed as armed conflicts

This is misleading. Nonviolent resistance is obviously going to be more likely to succeed because armed conflict only happens when the government digs in its heels after the nonviolent resistance. What? Did you want Syrians to nonviolently resist Assad's Sarin gas?

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago

Guys please, whatever you do, do NOT throw water balloons filled with liquid ass at ICE, that would be a REALLY bad idea...

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