Honestly a pretty good outcome so far from their nonviolent action.
Well done.
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@frightful_hobgoblin exactly.
Israel demanding that they sign an illegal deportation order,
Even though they were kidnapped on international waters and being held hostage inside Israel.
This is outrageous and sadly not many politicians seem to care protesting it and calling for Israel to be held accountable
To be honest i'm also a bit relieved by their reply, imagine they made a big deal out of kidnapping 15 protesters after being silent about a genocide all this time.
Greta was deported to France. https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20250610-greta-thunberg-tells-france-24-she-was-kidnapped-by-israel
Funny thing, no one in Turkey is covering how they raided freedom flotilla in international waters. Turkey is as pro Israel as UK, France and America
Didn't they also pick up some refugees from a raft along the way? What happened to them?
Everyone who wanted to leave got the chance to leave by signing deportation papers. Those who didn't will face legal procedures in Israel.
Thats definitely the same as the hostages from 7th October...
The Israelis haven't shot them while they were waving white flags, so in that sense it is very different.
The fact that that story even exists and wasn't buried says more about Israels transparency and Hamas tactics in combat, more than relate to this new incident.
Or do you really compare Greta Thunberg with Hamas?
The fact that that story even exists and wasn’t buried says more about Israels transparency
It occurred during a live filming and leaked before the Israelis could squelch it.
This wasn't transparency, it was a PR fuck up by the IDF.
Or do you really compare Greta Thunberg with Hamas?
Greta is doing her best.
It occurred during a live filming and leaked before the Israelis could squelch it.
As if that has stopped authorities before. They could just as well have doubled down.
Live leaked video isn't something you can just magic away
Oh, I see you haven't met Donald Trump or Vladimir Putin. Or Xi Jinping.
@teslasaur so we should treat Israel like they did Hamas now?
Who will start bombing first?
Reading comprehension strong i see.
Israel is not like Hamas, so no.
so you just sucking up to genocidal maniac Netanyahu ad his KKK ministers.
just another sack of shit who justifies anything Israeli Trump is doing.
Not at all. I'm just morally at odds with eqating a functioning democracy with Hamas or hizbollah.
I am vehemetely against the blocking of aid to Palestine children, it is cruel and objevtively wrong.
But this post, much like yourself only exists as a tool for the left/right-dogmatic fighting that only exasurbates misinformation.
A "functioning democracy" that denies millions of people the right to vote (or indeed any rights at all)
I'm all for Greta's actions in nearly every aspect. But what was the freedom flotilla expecting what would happen? That they would peacefully land on the beach, help and go home and not be intercepted?
- They were attacked on international waters, which is an act of piracy
- Preventing access to humanitarian aid is a crime against humanity
Actually it was an act of war since it was done using the country's military.
Piracy is reserved for unaffiliated parties.
So essentially Israel has committed an act of war against whatever country the boats' are registered under
States doing piracy to each other without war was a staple of the golden age of piracy. It was called privateering.
Right, modern day international law would define that as an act of war.
Clearly not
It clearly is.
Just because a nation commits an act of war against you doesn't mean that you have to declare war and attack. All it means is you have a justifiable cause to retaliate under international law
“Act of war” is not the same as “declaration of war”, in case you were under that impression.
@Chrusher seriously what the Fuck is wrong with you people?
She was trying to take food and medicine to Gaza and show the world that Israel is blocking aid not just by land but also the sea.
I'm s o sick of assholes like you ignoring the value of activism to draw attention to an ongoing genocide that the media and politicians trying to hide from the public.
I'm sorry, but I think you're overreacting to their comment. I don't see them being willfully ignorant as you believe.
To answer you question OP, yes these volunteers knew the risks. They did it anyway. As most or all of them are from EU countries, the EU is feeling more and more pressure to stop supporting Isn'treal.
There is no overreaction. "What did they expect to happen" implies Israel has some kind of right to do this.
Maybe it's cuz I'm not a native speaker, but I don't see it as an implication that Israel has the right to do that. More that it's a foregone conclusion that they're GOING to do that because they're horrible.
If anything, I read it as someone who agrees that Israel fucking sucks, but misses the point of the message itself, which can happen from time to time.
Of course it is a foregone conclusion for us sane people in the know. But the reason these people had to do it is because Zionists kept spamming how activists should just go to Gaza and bring them food themselves.
By proving that this is impossible, Zionists can no longer use the excuse and instead have to change their argument to "Israel's right to starve Palestinians"
Greta called their bluff and forced their hand. And she risked her life to do so as Israel has killed activists doing this in the past.
which can happen from time to time.
In those cases someone will likely respond or edit the comment to show they didn't mean it in a bad way or something. Staying silent after making a point is more on point for someone who knew exactly what their comment will cause. You might be right, but I am not putting my money on that in this case.
Good point, actually
In real life i try to give people the benefit of the doubt, try to stand up for the underdog, give people second chances etc but in my life i've come to see that, unlike in real life, there are actors who want to come across like regular people but are not really a regular guy with just another opinion. I have no clue about this user in particular, but i tend to be extra sceptical when it's about a controversial topic - especially if a country, community or company involved who has in other cases hired people to influence opinions via social media. Isreal is one of those, so something like them never responding is more sus than when it's some unimportant topic. Still think it's good to be a positive person, but you might lend someone a hand you wouldn't if you knew their true intention (though again, i dont know what this guys intention is).
I totally get it. Thanks for offering your perspective :)
I appreciate it a lot. I hate that Israel is considered "controversial" instead of unanimously awful, but that's a conversation for another day.
Braindead comment. Literally this is what they expected. Either they get media publicity showing how Israel is transgressing and commiting crimes on international water or they get to Gaza and can help people there. Even if they didnt bring a cruiser cargo of supplies they can still actively help the situation there.
They risk their lives fully aware of what the outcomes are and you are incapable of even thinking a singular action ahead - baffling.
Great explaination. I don't see why you had to start it off with a rude comment though. Leave that shit on reddit.
They knew with almost 100% certainty that they would be captured. The aid supplies were just enough to justify going to Gaza. If by chance they got through, so be it, some people got help. This is getting international attention and will hopefully ramp up the pressure for the home countries of these people to actually do something.
approximately this
This is how satyagraha activism is supposed to go: they've made the bad guys incriminate themselves and put themselves in a bad position legally and in public perception.
Do you think they should have chickened out because of the possibility of arrest?
Honestly that would probably have been the smartest move for Israel. Let a token / useless amount of aid get through so they can say “see we’re allowing aid!”, but not enough to matter.
They couldn't tolerate the appearance of weakness or charity, because the Israeli settlers would be engaged as a result.
If anything, not simply killing the crew will likely be reported on as Woke and Soy.
Pretty sure they expected this to happen and that was the point. It's about raising awareness of Israel's depravity.
some aid ships managed to get through.
there are people starving. won't fault anyone for trying to bring in food.