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Hello everyone,

We unfortunately have to close the !lemmyshitpost community for the time being. We have been fighting the CSAM (Child Sexual Assault Material) posts all day but there is nothing we can do because they will just post from another instance since we changed our registration policy.

We keep working on a solution, we have a few things in the works but that won't help us now.

Thank you for your understanding and apologies to our users, moderators and admins of other instances who had to deal with this.

Edit: @[email protected] the moderator of the affected community made a post apologizing for what happened. But this could not be stopped even with 10 moderators. And if it wasn't his community it would have been another one. And it is clear this could happen on any instance.

But we will not give up. We are lucky to have a very dedicated team and we can hopefully make an announcement about what's next very soon.

Edit 2: removed that bit about the moderator tools. That came out a bit harsher than how we meant it. It's been a long day and having to deal with this kind of stuff got some of us a bit salty to say the least. Remember we also had to deal with people posting scat not too long ago so this isn't the first time we felt helpless. Anyway, I hope we can announce something more positive soon.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m gone for a few days and some assholes trying to fuck up this instance. Smh.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (15 children)

Saw that one post (unfortunately). How come people who spread content like that in the "open" internet (not darkweb) don't get arrested?

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

These bad actors are wierd, most who spread CSAM dont want to be known about by the masses, these posts are implied to be attempting to be visible as their posting in a well known community. It feels Sus.

Keep up the good work keeping us safe, keep your therapist and/or support network in the loop about this so they can catch you if you fall.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've actually never seen anything of this stuff so good job!

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (18 children)

Isn't there semi-automated tools that can detect CP?

Those might be an automated solution to at least cut down on the volume.

The same can go for banned images. These can automatically be identified with perceptual hashing, and automatically be denied when uploading.

[–] CookieJarObserver 30 points 1 year ago

We should just track these people and send them the police directly, way more efficient than Symptom control.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago

This sucks, but we were probably due to have a Grand Registration Security Hash-Out at some point; going forward, any instance that wants others to federate with it is probably going to have to have a system in place to make it impossible for jackasses like this to create endless spam accounts.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

It's one of the few things Reddit handles the situation better by being a centralized entity with a dedicated workforce filtering out these content. It's a shame it has to be this way, but I understand why it has to be done.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is seriously fucked up, but won't closing lemmyshitpost just lead them to target other LW communities?

Probably unrelated but I once saw that community get attacked with scat porn, it could be the same person.

There's also another issue. If you upload an image to Lemmy but then cancel, the image is still hosted on the Lemmy instance and one can still access it if one copies the image's URL before canceling. This basically means that there might be other illegal stuff that's being hosted on Lemmy instances without anyone noticing.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is so fucked, but this brings up a question -- is this something to be concerned about for instances federated with lemmy.world? As in, if something like this is uploaded to a community that the instance federates with, their instance will now have a copy as well?

[–] can 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

yes

Many instances deleted all pictures for the last 24-48h as a precaution or shut down entirely.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago

Wow, this is awful. Huge cudos to y'all for holding on through this. It's obviously a deliberate attack on the fediverse by malicious actors.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago

It is absolutely ghastly to realise that something like this was inevitable.

Thank you for being willing to deal with this. Godspeed.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ya'll are going through one of the worst situations I could imagine, but I'm confident you will figure it out and come out better for it. Keep your heads up. (P.S. - Sorry about the scat, lol)

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago

Just saw this: That is fucking awful. Thank you for your service to the community and for protecting us from seeing that shit.

[–] Quacksalber 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I am wondering what kind of moderation tools would be needed.
On the top of my head, I'd say a trust-level system would be great, both for instances and users. New instances and users start out on a low trust level. Posts and commemts federated by them could be set to require approval or get deranked compared to other posts and comments. In time the trust-level increases and the content is shown as usual. If an incident occurs and content is getting reported, the trust level decreases again and eventually will have to be approved first again.

You can couple that with a reporting-trust-level. If a report is legitimate, future report will hold more weight, while illegitimate reports will make future reports hold less.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Would someone be able to ELI5 why lemmyshitpost has this problem but other communities don't or at least seemingly? I would think if they can do this to one lemmy.world community, wouldn't they be able to do all?

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Lads, as a casual Lemmy user, just how much danger am I in of having my mind permanently incinerated by seeing images of children being sexually tortured? I've been using the net since the mid-90s and I have never seen a single piece of CSAM in that time, and I now realise that I've been insanely lucky in that regard. My mind is already host to all manner of unspeakable internet shit (looking at you, cartels), but I don't think I could endure seeing anything like the stuff those evil fucking degenerate nihilist cunts have on their hard drives. I would want to commit murder.

So, stay the hell off Lemmy or... ?

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Look I unfortunately ran into one of these pieces of content, and I think it will stay with me forever. I think it's because I sort by "New" in order to try and help promote the good undiscovered content. As long as you focus on Hot/Active, I think you'll be fine.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Anyone got any idea why they are doing this? Seems a bit extreme.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

Potential sabotage. There’s definitely a corporate interest in killing the Fediverse and getting people like you and me back to Reddit and Twitter.

Plus for outside groups with potential interest who aren’t informed of the situation, Lemmy is now branded as that CSAM site so people are not as likely to come here and or leave their established mainstream social platforms

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is sabotage on another level. The people posting this faces seriously time in jail for just having it on their PC.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

That is awful.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

Yeah I don't blame you for being frustrated

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago

Sincerely appreciate your work to better this instance and the fediverse in it's entirely.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All I can is that I'm sorry this is happening to you guys. Are there specific ways others can help?

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago

Why would someone post that crap? If you’ve been banning and removing posts all day that seems like someone is malicious trying to do it to get Lemmy in trouble. I don’t know, just a guess but someone needs to go to prison for doing that.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago

The only word I can think of is "disgusting", and that is far from strong enough.

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