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I found it complicated at first (didn't know which instance "will last", where to register to not lose anything when instance admin decide to turn it down), but now it's going good. We are missing mobile apps though.

What's are your thoughts about Lemmy/kbin?

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I think having your account tied to an instance without an option to move is a huge issue. Now I'm still dependent on the instance owners rules and willingness/ability to keep it up. Just like reddit oranzy other centralized network. Accounts need to be movable including history and linkage to posts. Same goes for communities. We are just hyper fragmenting now. Communities need to.be able to span instances tobincrease performance and uptime as well as resiliency.

Jerboa works fine for me. The overall experience and peoeple are nice enough. We just have technicalities to iron out.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait can you not easily migrate on Lemmy?? I’m coming from Mastodon and just assumed that data portability was part and parcel of the fediverse. That’sa huge problem that needs to be remedied.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

Honestly, Jerboa in alpha is already better than the official reddit app for me. It's no TPA reddit app, but the number of contributors (in github) has risen by a lot so I'm expecting/hoping development will pick up and it'll get better fast.

I appreciate the community the most in here. They've been very welcoming and minimal, if any, toxicity.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

honestly, once I wrapped my head around the idea of federation (which is very easy given I've been active in the P2P torrent field before- federation is but a simple extension of that concept) lemmy has pretty easy to use. It's simple. The interface is clean and has what I want right in front. I search what I want, deal with a couple minor bugs, and then look at what I want to look at.

My only biggest concern with Lemmy longterm is community fragmentation. As more instances spin up with the user influx, and Lemmy being (currently) limited in horizontal scaling of individual instances, we are going to have cases of tens, maybe even hundreds, of instances all ending up with identical, but separate, communities. Federation of a single instance's community can only work so well, if we're expecting users in the millions, and such fragmented communities that may or may not end up federating with one another can artificially make the service feel a lot less active than it really is and/or potentially lead to a lot of content being missed by some users.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

If something like multi-reddit comes about in Lemmy, I believe it could solve that issue. Just make a multi-reddit of what is the same community (roughly) over multiple servers. It won't solve the problem of duplicate posts though. But Reddit had the same issue at times, where multiple subreddits for the same topic existed, although generally it merged down into a single subreddit that was actually useful.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Good point, valid concern! I hope existing (real) communities (from existing subreddits or elsewhere) can have leaders pointing users to a specific Feddit community. What would be even more awesome, is if communities could be merged: that way we could 'repair' in a sense, fragmentation that happened naturally without losing the users and content that one of the communities already amassed.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I expect a small boom of loudly announced instances, that will be essentially unmaintained, half of them will silently disappear while taking users identities with them in less than a year, and the rest spliting the federation in half by implementing ideological blacklists, some properly shutting down when the money runs out, or lawsuits and takedown notices starts to flood in.

Let's hope I'm wrong.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Every party needs a pooper. That's why we invited you.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Lots of people here with the opposite opinion of me, which is that I like the website and not the mobile apps, but overall yeah I'm pretty convinced this format is probably the best poised alternative to replace Reddit for a lot of people. Maybe not everybody, but I am willing to "settle" for quality over quantity ;)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I agree. I too prefer the website as a progressive web app. Though I'm playing with the idea of making a cross platform app highly inspired by relay for reddit. But with my history of procrastination that probably never will get finished.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lemmy.ml needs to lose "default" status. I changed servers due to their load and inability to deal with it. They're practically unusable right now.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They kind of have taken away their default status. They removed lemmy.ml from the list of instances on join-lemmy.org.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

They have, but they're also incredibly slow at adding new instances to that list. I've been waiting for lemmy.cafe to be added for a few days now. In the meantime more and more instances are getting overloaded.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I've been using the Jerboa android app today, it works pretty well. It reminds me of reddit mobile apps 10+ years ago, which isn't a bad thing.

I'm excited to see how it turns out though and what fediverse/social platform will end up being the most popular.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I don't care about what instance will last too much. I'm not that active contributor so if my comments/topics will disappear the world will not end. I always can create a new account on another server.

I chose Lemmy for now because Kbin seems to be not mature enough. I don't like some background of Lemmy devs that I was reading about, but I'm still not sure what make of it... Does it matter much? I support freedom of speech, and from my perspective people can have opinions very different from mine and still provide great value for community.

I'm currently exploring available communities and subscribing to stuff that I was subscribed on Reddit. Considering creating some communities too, but not sure how that works yet and how much involvement it will need.

Regarding software - using Jerboa. Overall very usable, but there are some UI issues that are irritating.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

I am very happy to see people trying to use federated apps, it's a movement back to the old days of internet, when communities and real people make things, not big corporate companies with ad based model bulding sites to collect massive amounts of data.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Jerboa is a good and rapidly improving android app for Lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It's tough to find new communities on Jerboa, though. It doesn't seem to have the capability to search for them. I keep having to go to the browser to do that.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I miss downvotes. How do I get a post that I have no interest in to leave my feed?

Other than that, pretty happy.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I do as well. At least the threads I've read through, most of the time reddit was pretty good about downvoting the shit out of a comment that has misinformation or the user is being a dbag (racist, sexist, unnecessarily negative, etc) which was one of my favorite things. I could always count on users to call out those types of comments. It made searching for answers and information so easy and also amusing

Sometimes I would run across a comment that just downvoted purely for their opinion, which was one of the problems it had, but in my opinion (10+ years on reddit), it doesn't seem nearly as often as people claim

To answer the thread: I like it, I use Jeroba for Android but I'm a long time user of reddit boost which I think is way ahead. I'm not a fan of the website yet but I just think it's a little confusing

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Am I missing something I see a downvote button?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It looks like the lemmy.one instance disables the downvote button. My other account on lemmy.ml has it enabled.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I like the idea and general functionality, my biggest concern is what happens if the owner of Lemmy.world gets hit by a bus? Eventually you'd lose your account, all your subs, etc. Same goes for any other instance really. It's pretty much my only reservation at this point.

[–] potatopotato 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Yeah I'd like to see a mechanism to move subs and accounts between instances at will. If that also includes the ability to merge subs it'll fix 90% of the things everyone is worried about.

There is an open issue for adding a mechanism to move instances, people should go vote for it

https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3057

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm in the same boat as you. Now that I've spent a day on Lemmy & Kbin I feel much better about using both sites and it's been a fun experience learning something new.

I personally am treating them as betas so I'm willing to forgive them not being as smooth experiences to browse as I'm used to on Reddit. Also because of this, I'm hesitant at this stage to suggest them to a lot of my friends until more kinks are sorted out.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

It seems to be working well enough. There will be growing pains, but I'm more than willing to live with some bugs & limitations while this all matures and grows. There's a risk of losing all comment history & whole communities if an instance decided to shut down, but that's true of centralized sites today. I'll take the chance on something less centralized that one single asshole corporation can't screw up.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

need a lot more tooling but it seems livable at least.

kbin looks more modern but I havent tried it yet. biggest sticking point is the discovery workflow. Im not sure I can get most people to do that. Its like asking them to setup a damn crypto wallet.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's exciting to be here, honestly. It will be fun to help build communities and to watch them grow.

I'm on desktop. Everything is working as it should in spite of a little lag, due no doubt to an influx of visitors. Like others have mentioned, it's just a little confusing at first but that is to be expected. I think we're off to a good start.

(I've yet to check out Kbin.)

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

I think its great. Joining remote Communities can be a bit iffy but its okay and the UI is a bit janky but that will improve by time I hope :)

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

With regards to Lemmy I think that may things are really good, but I'm not 100% convinced yet mostly due to how desentralised it is. imho the different "subs" should be what is self hosted and not entire trees, but I'ts probably just to get used to =)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I like the idea of instances, but would like to see the development of more "themed" servers. So maybe one instance is a cluster of related topics (science, arts, LGBT, whatever), or one that caters to a specific country/local area, or particular users (IT professionals, students, mechanics, librarians, etc).

Currently everything seems a bit slapdash, with larger instances each having a bit of everything. It will be interesting to watch the cultures here develop.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

These align with my thoughts almost exactly. My logical brain wants there to be an instance that is field-based with communities hosted on it that are relevant. Think kind of like programming.dev then having like PowerShell, C, Rust, Java, etc. communities on it. But I also understand that that's not really how this works, and that's completely okay. Overall I've had a pretty good experience thus far.

The engagement, because of the significantly smaller userbase than Reddit, has made my first little stint much more enjoyable!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

A lot of the communities only seem to have like 50 subscribers. I know a lot of people are exploring options other than Reddit, so I'm confused where everyone is at.

Or maybe I just have weird taste. I am not so interested in shitposting, memes, politics, news; this may be where where everyone is? I'll give it time to see who trickles in. I like the forum/discussion board style of this as opposed to Mastodon, which is obviously more timeline/feed based, but can feel like a random assortment of things.

On the other hand, since many of the communities are empty, I either do not have interesting topics to yet follow, or am not quite sure where I feel comfortable posting. Somewhat opposite ends of the spectrum, but okay that there is differentiation. Would like to see the fediverse group together (Mastodon, Lemmy, Kbin, whatever else believes in this approach), as alone there may not be power, but together, maybe something impressive can be made.

Imperial theme looming in the background...

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Just joined Lemmy, seems nice so far. Currently waiting for a Kbin Android app, then I'll give it a try.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I'm still completely lost!! haha

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

It’s seems great. But I am very visual, I miss big thumbnails layout as in Apollo. Do I miss a setting?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

After finding the right instance (which doesn't block any other instances) I'm really happy. I'm surprised how many communities exist that existed before on reddit

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