Is this something to do with the three Es?
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Making WSL open source could actually lead to some useful contributions and better transparency overall ; and good for Linux tools?
I know there's a lot of hate for Microsoft on Lemmy, but WSL is one of the best parts of Windows. It's really powerful and well integrated to Windows. Since I still can't leave for pure Linux install, I'm glad for WSL.
Funny that the Linux is best part of Windows lmao
Microsoft hate is justified.
WSL made windows tolerable in the time I had to use a windows machine for work.
macOS is still the better choice for corp approved work, integrates decently with IT systems and is a “real” unix system underneath.
Linux on a corporate desktop is mostly about how well you know the IT guys and do they trust you. And of course the software stack.
Linux on a corporate desktop is mostly about how well you know the IT guys and do they trust you. And of course the software stack.
I would say it depends more on the commitment of the IT admins to support and manage a fleet of Linux workstations. There are Linux "Active Directory" servers, configuration provisioning tools, ways to centrally and automatically rollout updates, etc. It really depends on if the IT guys invest the same amount of effort to support them or not.
2000 people, 3k+ devices and one dude wants a Linux laptop.
Not happening 😀
But it did work in a smaller company of around 30 people, mostly because the IT guy was a Linux user too
Easy fix, install proxmox and run corpo-os in that as well as a proper desktop os. Just need to max out the ram on the shitbox thet give you and now you can switch almost seemlessly
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IT just said no for WSL "ask your manager"
My manager barely knows how to read his email
and doesn't understand why I want 3rd screen
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The only Windows PC I use is my work computer.
GPO blocked WSL.
I can't even escape to a command line with the right flavour of slashes between directories. For eight hours a day, all hope is lost.
Only solution is to write your own
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This is for WSL2, not for WSL1. WSL2 is just a VM, not a big deal it it's open-sourced. WSL1 is superior to WSL2 in every way. BTW, WSL2 is not a continuation of WSL1, they are being developed in parallel. I still try to use WSL1 whenever possible. For Linux specific features, like systemd dependancy and mounting file systems, I'd use full-featured VM instead of WSL2.
I thought WSL2 had a few specific advantages over WSL1, something about disk writes and/or Docker? But yeah, WSL1 was such a cool concept. My understanding is they implemented all the syscalls and API in it so it's basically native.
I tried to use them, as I do most tools like that. On Windows I have always stuck with the MSYS environment that Git for Windows gives you. It's easy enough to work with and has most everything I care about. Plus it's easy to set up. With wsl it's more like a separate thing, it wasn't as easy to run in place. A lot of times I still used batch or powershell scripts so it wasn't totally bash. Like Docker is easier to use from not bash in Windows because the syntax is so wonky.
But now I don't use Windows at all.
I've recently started using windows again for work, after not touching it for like 15 years, msys2 makes it tolerable.
I'm a devops engineer, and my company won't allow me to use WSL. Go figure.
I still will never understand why it's not called Linux Subsystem for Windows.
There's a trademark for Linux so Microsoft can't name a product starting with Linux.
So they can use Linux in the name, just not at the beginning? We're so stupid. Can they do Windows Subsystem for Coke? Or Windows Subsystem for McDonald's? Or Windows Subsystem for MacOs?
Good gravy.
Sorry, "gravy" is a registered trademark of Gravy, Inc.: https://trademarks.justia.com/854/89/gravy-85489026.html
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Still doesnt explain why it wasn't called Windows Linux Subsystem (WLS)
I think it is because Windows has many subsystems, it's just that you don't hear about most of them aside from WSL.
So it is referring to the particular Windows Subsystem (of which there are many) that can run or emulate Linux.
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I got hung up on this before too but it's apparently "Windows Subsystem for (using) Linux"
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but.. you need to run it on microsoft, which isn't open source....
Only right now. I'm sure someone will have it running on Wine or Proton by next week. Steamdeck subsystem for proton for Windows subsystem for linux
brb running vim on windows subsystem for linux on proton on wine on linux.
fuck microsoft and windows so hard. had to reinstall that shitshow on my mothers computer because a driver update fucked the whole networkstack... they throw error codes and what not but give no help whatsoever. the conclusion of everyone for every problem is to reinstall windows.... shitshow of an os, keep your dirty hands of linux!! can't wait to nuke it and install linux there and have no windows machine left
I reinstalled Windows and had to shit my pants because I was so disgusted in myself. Fuck windows
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Don't you think this is another Embrace, Extend, and Extinguish strategy from Microsoft?
That's exactly what it is. Any time now you'll see "the best way to run Linux: on windows" or similar.
Does Lemmy even know what EEE means anymore or are we regurgitating words we heard from some article now?
What's it going to embrace and extend? WSL has existed for ages and is just a way to run Linux in a convenient container on top of Windows. That's it. It's not an attempt to "extenguish" Linux, literally just make the development experience on Windows less painful so people don't switch to another OS. This has nothing to do with EEE.
Open sourcing it with a permissive license can only be a good thing, and again they're doing it to be more appealing to devs and maybe get free bug fixes from the open source community. It isn't some grand conspiracy. But of course this community will react to news of "proprietary blob is now open source" with pessimism.
literally just make the development experience on Windows less painful so people don't switch to another OS.
You said it right there yourself and don't seem to realize it.
Why have a laptop or a dual boot with Linux when you can now more easily stay on the proprietary OS ?
This is called market retention.
Preventing migration to another OS, another software ecosystem.
The 'Embrace' and 'Extend' parts of EEE.
And if it works, then in a few years, MSFT will figure out how to further monetize some other part of its software ecosystem that is either reliant on, or much much easier for an average user of WSL to use than switching their whole setup or stack all the way over to Linux.
Call that EEM for 'monetization' if you want, or 'enshittify' for another E...
...the commonly used term to describe software or services or platforms that suddenly jump over to making previously free stuff cost money, put ads everywhere, break the previously free features and put the 'new' working versions behind some kind of paywall...
... All after you've captured your market and dominated as many competitors as possible.
Standard monopolist strategy throughout the entite history of capitalism, same general concept goes back even further.
You: “Let me explain Embrace, Extend, Extinguish to you”
Also you: clearly doesn’t understand what Embrace, Extend, Extinguish actually was
Microsoft aren’t trying to change Linux with proprietary things that only work on WSL. That would be EEE. Microsoft are just letting you run Linux inside Windows, so people who need or want Linux can do it on their Windows machine instead of also needing a Linux machine.
This won’t stop anyone who hates Windows from using a Linux machine, because this is inside Windows.
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I think it's an attempt to keep people on their platform who need easy access to a unix-like shell. Linux has it and so does mac os. Windows didn't until they introduced wsl.
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I am legit excited to install WINE Subsystem for Linux
Or how about KDE on ReactOS on WSL?
The possibilities are endless
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Pretend I'm an idiot (should be easy), and tell me what this all is up in here.
Classic Microsoft Business Strategy
- ~~Embrace~~
- Extend
- Extinguish
Means that now anyone can fork the project and make changes or iterate on it without needing to wait for Microsoft to fix things.
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some who can read code tell me why it sucks ass
1/10 no tutorial on how to jump over an office chair.
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