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They are desperate to be cool, it's so cringe.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

I know it feels good to dunk on others and do so with generalities but just the last line, get revenge on the nerds.

Sounds edgy but it’s a slogan that is poor communication. It’s focused on US based tech billionaires and paints them as representatives of nerds. Look at voting data. Tech employees are leftist. People that go to school are more frequently leftist. Rhetoric like this is unintentionally anti-intellectual which promotes conservatism. And in my personal life, there sure seems to be an ocean of nerdy women in the US including in tech like bioengineering and UX and marketing design that is intertwined with today’s techno-facism. I don’t get why these pundits can’t ever stay focused on class warfare and end up resorting to social/racial/gender otherings. Why use language that is so so broad and is a term that most applies to people in your base

Also I’m at a loss at how finance/real estate/insurance/material and manufacturing billionaires have somehow managed to be overshadowed in public perceptions of evil even though they’ve consistently been at it for millenniums and are a cohort of multigenerational families of wealth built on slavery and genocide. They make up venture capital funds that give them ownership across all these companies. Tech CEOs end up owning an ever shrinking portion of a company they did or didn’t found until ownership is mostly a smattering of many large finance companies and family offices. Weirdly fetishistic of proper rich despots rather than these new tech billionaires who still have to go to JP Morgan Chase to facilitate their transactions

Also in the comments co-opting conservative rhetoric like herbivores and I guess carnivores?. That’s weird. Who actually talks like that seriously in real life? My whole life on the left we’ve been so terrible at creating insults but also terms of endearments. It’s weird how bad we are at not only labeling ourselves but also continuing to build terms into positives. Anything eventually becomes an insult towards leftist and conservative terminology is used awkwardly

For the side that places so much emphasis on the power of language, labeling, othering, etc … we’re terrible at it. The side of people with art/literature/communication/whatever degrees. Practically any college level degree is the realm of mostly leftist but in practice people well studied in communication can’t effectively and accurately communicate to people

[–] [email protected] 7 points 20 hours ago

Yup. The whole article and “we should bring back bullying” rhetoric (even used ironically) just reeks of someone who doesn’t like “uncool” people and finally found a morally valid excuse to hate on some of them.

Really, not much different from misogynists pointing at random female tiktok influencers and concluding “See? This is why women are dumb and we need sexism”.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is something I observed regarding Trump in his first term, here this guy is allegedly super rich and now leader of the free world, and he still thinks he's a total loser, hence his own inability to tolerate criticism, and obsession on harming enemies and bullying people.

He has to fuck other people's wives and make John Kennedy Jr. eat McDonalds because even being President isn't enough assertion of dominance to make him feel on top.

I have a tender self esteem, myself, and have deep-running neural pathways that will drive me nearly to self harm when I mess something up (e.g. drop my coffee, or burn dinner, or thoroughly lose my wallet). I have these structures of rational self-assessment so that when I calm down I can see I'm actually alright and have some sweet talents, and friends find me useful, and when not even that, at least lovable.

Trump with all his money and power doesn't have that, and people like me can see Trump feels like a total loser propped up by hollow victories, even as POTUS, which is a fucking scary place to be. This is why cabinet meetings are a round-robin ritual of telling Trump how huge he is.

As for the tech bros, they succeeded in their careers which is exactly what we are taught manly men are supposed to do and still feel hollow (which is common when you fixate only on your career). They didn't have that (possibly essential) experience where they collapse into despair as a young person and realize they need personal integrity or spirituality to climb out. (For me it was a moment of rational self-assessment and finding I was not wanting after all; that my depression and self hatred were based on delusions.)

As for Musk, his bio on Behind the Bastards suggests it's really difficult for someone not to emerge from his upbringing without turning into a Disney / Marvel supervillain.

Thiel has his own backstory and obsession, and is perpetually feeling Death (his own mortality) chuffing hyperborean chills on the back of his neck.

So yes, these guys are desperate to cling to power, _because wealth and political transactional power are the only power they've ever known, hence J. D. Vance's obsession on forcing women into natality which is likely to turn into Lebensborn style breeding programs (which inspired Atwood to write A Handmaid's Tale. ) They are terrified of equality because then they'll just be eccentric, antisocial dorks.

(I am an eccentric, antisocial dork, with few things to offer other than listening skills, peer psychology, computer nerding and moral philosophy, and in a world where we're not all overwhelmed with bad news, that is more than enough to find friends, family and crew. But it takes some personal introspection and willingness to practice soft power to learn this.)

If they were able to step away from power, or we took it from them and forced them into peer group support, they'd eventually discover that they don't need to be captains of industry (or James Bond supervillains) to be accepted and loved (and consequently, fed and homed by the community).

And when they've given you their all
Some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy
Banging your heart against some mad bugger's wall

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 hours ago

I agree completely and I'd like to add, when we call Trump a narcissist we should remember that what you described there is what narcissism is. It's self hate manifesting as self aggrandizement.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

I’ve worked hard to keep these kinds of men out of my personal life, to keep them away from me, out of my goddamn sight... It’s time for us to start getting revenge on the nerds.

And there's the rub. I was there, and we still have the nerd-to-nazi pipeline pumping vast numbers of boys into the alt-right. And to this day, no-one wants to deal with them.

Curiously, Japan is entirely dissatisfied with herbivore men who just want to be left alone in their life with their waifu, but that doesn't produce the next batch of cheap labor and soldiers for industrialists to exploit.

Yes, I'm bitter, and righteously so. Treat our kids better; acknowledge they have sexuality. Teach consent and human intercourse in public school. (We're not going to do these things. We hold great contempt for our fifteen-year olds, whether men or women, and just can't help ourselves.)

[–] [email protected] 195 points 2 days ago (14 children)

The thing they all share is that they are deeply unloved. Trump, musk, bezos, zuck, none of them have healthy loving families. They have noons they can genuinely connect with. And they all think by having more money and being more popular will fulfill that human need. But it never does, so they just keep going not realizing the path they chose doesn't end anywhere near what they desire. Money will never buy love and peace.

[–] zarkanian 117 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And they all think by having more money and being more popular will fulfill that human need.

If that was all it was, then I'd feel sorry for them. No, they're trying to fulfill that need by being Great Men of History with Mighty Plans, but their Mighty Plans are all terrible, because they're horrible people.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Yeah, I think it's a mistake to imagine that these are good people who just need a little love. There are literally hundreds of millions of people who aren't getting enough love for proper human flourishing and it's not like that turned them all into fascists. The kind of evil exhibited by these people must be attributed to a fundamental enjoyment of the suffering of others.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's a tired stereotype. Powerful people are unloved because they don't need to be loved. They are psychopaths, they have all the love they need, they are bored with the world and have nothing more to want.

People around you are unloved because they have problems.

Also money can buy you a cottage surrounded by nice trees near a river, healthy food, more house animals than you could want, a fast PC, jasmine and lilac bushes outside your window.

I think it can go a long way.

My irritation from this stereotype is because it kinda says the opposite of what it says. It feels like sublimated envy, expressed by saying that you don't envy them. Why talk about their money at all then.

I wouldn't envy anyone's money if that's all the difference between us, unfortunately money buys power and power is used to impose one's will upon me, and that I very much care about.

But your typical young Trotskyists in the Interwebs write whole articles consisting of Marxist vibes (a strong thing, especially in spring, but not enough) and envy to those having more. LOL, someone having more money is not our problem. Our problem is someone attacking us with it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

People not accepting that other people got a easier time doing certain things than others is certainly a problem, but too much blaming isn't good as well.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don’t know if anyone else has noticed this but everything seems to be going down the tubes quite fast.

Yeah like having to accept all cookies to read the article.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

Block third-party scripts, no cookie popup.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 day ago (7 children)

I will be happy if Zuck is Luigi’d before my death. Also Musk and Bozo.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago

The saying money can't unlame you still true.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Imagine if, when Facebook rolled out, people were just like "no thanks, I'm good" and it never took off.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

That's exactly what happens when a Facebook competitor (possibly an ethical one) rolls out these days. Which is part of the problem. Zuck poisoned the idea.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago (7 children)

I wanted to. I liked Myspace. It has character. Some of it was cringe. But you could at least customize it. Facebook seemed so bland. But I had an ex GF that insisted on it and I didn't think it was worth breaking up over. I shouldn't have been such a pushover.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No one seems to have read Machiavelli’s stuff these days. It explains so much. Also, just history in general will tell you all about today’s happenings.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

The Prince was a warning of what could happen. The Drumpf is the result of ignoring the warnings.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This movie hasn't aged well, for anyone who hasn't seen it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

The electric violin scene was cool, tho.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

It was cringe when it released - it's dated cringe now...

[–] [email protected] 94 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I just started reading this book about Facebook and I am amazed how little they cared about how much power they had, and how oblivious they were of it.

These are companies that rule the world, but don't know what they want with it, other than for it to generate profit

[–] [email protected] 1 points 32 minutes ago

This book is great! Everything you thought about Facebook (meta) is true, and worse. Highly recommended

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

He's such a fucking dork.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I have been prepared for evil, for greed, for cruelty, for injustice – but I did not anticipate that the people in power would also be such huge losers.

This. This is what I feel like

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

I read the first chapter of Careless People last night and I never thought these people were such large dorks, but here we are.

[–] [email protected] 84 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Because it's so much better when they're charismatic assholes?

[–] [email protected] 184 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I think it's much sadder (more sad? saddest) that people fall for such absurd douche bags. If they would at least be sexy and seem smart you could understand how people could be fooled but this is just too hard to watch.

[–] [email protected] 82 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Yeah like, they have negative charisma, so it's extra baffling. I cannot imagine a world in which I'd support Donald Trump, but definitely not in this one where he routinely shits his own diaper. If he was only disgusting mentally but was a good speaker or handsome or whatever, it would make at least a little more sense

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Musk, Zuckerberg and Bezos-- you can tell they are insecure. They became rich and powerful and now want to stomp on people.

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