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LoglineFar in the future, on a tough, brutal planet, a devastated mining colony has only one survivor. To discover the truth, the Doctor and Belinda must face absolute terror.

Written by: Russell T Davies & Sharma Angel Walfall

Directed by: Amanda Brotchie

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

I think others have expressed well enough about the plot.

Can I just shine a light on probably some of the best set design we’ve ever seen in Doctor who? It was a little obvious they reused the dorm room a few shots but other than that fantastic. The lone girl in the circle was a fantastic shot, the well fantastic. All the gribblies and rust stains. What a joy to look at this episode was.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I was really excited to see a far future sci-fi adventure but unfortunately the episode left me quite disappointed by the end.

I think it started off great, very tense and while some things were obvious even that early on it didn't hurt the episode.

Imo it did fall apart in the last act though.

Tap for spoilerAfter it was revealed how the monster works it all became extremely formulaic and predictable. I was easily able to predict every single twist after that. Obviously someone's going to override the captain's authority and get half the crew killed. Unsurprisingly the monster doesn't kill the host for some reason. To no one's surprise it latches on to the companion so the doctor now really has to solve this problem. But as always when he can't someone else sacrifices themselves.

Oh no, you're telling me jumping into the well the monster seemingly floated out of unassisted from earlier didn't kill it?

Wait, it made it to the ship? I'm shocked! Nice detail with the airlock screen showing more people than could be seen in it though.

I'd be surprised if the old lady stalking them wasn't the monster from this episode.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago

We are all Robyn Gossage from "Lux", and she is us.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Best episode of the run so far, but I still don't buy the May 24th problem.

Can't travel to May 24th? you have a TIME MACHINE. Go back to May 23rd and take a nap or something. Boom! May 24th!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm willing to withhold judgment - the TARDIS violently "bouncing off" of that date is fun - but it is a bit of a head-scratcher. Right up there with the Weeping Angels Paradox that claimed Amy and Rory.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 16 hours ago

"I can't go back and save them!"

"We aren't asking you to go back to 1920, can't you go back 15 minutes?"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

I almost always prefer frock to gun and this episode was not for me, but I am a base-under-siege Grinch and know my limitations. This is my second-least-favorite RTD2 episode after Empire of Death, though I am thoroughly enjoying this series, even more than the last.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 18 hours ago

You wanted them to kill Belinda with a frock? You monster.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I just realised, there have been no narrative gaps in this season yet. Belinda has gone from being kidnapped by robots and made queen on another planet, saved by the Doctor and gone off on the TARDIS, traveled to 1950s Miami to face a living cartoon, and now gone almost half a million years into the future and fought an invisible evil with space marines — without sleeping.

I hope she gets just a short break before she just collapses from exhaustion.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

She's a nurse, she's fine with 48 hour days. :)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago

"Fine" is taking an awful lot for granted! 😄 Besides, didn't she just come home from an exhausting shift at the start of "Robot revolution"?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm not sure that Sarah Jane sleeps from Planet of the Spiders all the way through Revenge of the Cybermen, so Belinda has joined an illustrious club! Donna also has a shit day all through the 60th specials.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago

True, and at least Donna gets a consultancy with UNIT and a relaxing family dinner for her trouble. Sarah Jane — well, if Belinda settles into that league of companions by the end of this season, my hat's off to her 🙂

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I really enjoyed that. Going into it blind, it was very fun to watch. Not quite as good as Midnight, but then sequels rarely are. But I think it was a good choice to revisit it - if the humans have vanished, then the doctor wouldn't have been able to go to midnight and play a part in defeating the monster first time around, so it would still be there. The final ending scene was a bit cliched though, the episode would have been better to just end with the Tardis dematerialising.

The inclusion of a deaf character was done well, and the use of live subtitlers is a really great "future gadget" to invent and then explore in a sci-fi context, from how it can offer help, and how it can be used to exclude people easily.

The idea that civil servants that interact with the public must know a sign language makes sense to me - it might indicate that something about the Lombardy population has a high population of deaf people. Maybe a side effect of the war. That would also explain why they were all equipped with subtitlers available as a backup for everyone else. SLs are not universal though, so I guess the translation matrix can help "translate" gestures as appropriate to the local context just as it does text and speech (and BSL to us watching). A side effect of this is it would have been illegible to any American signers watching.

Exploring the wider plot about how humanity is gone makes me think we're facing a planet out of time situation, as we saw in season 4 (another callback?). Though if the lombardy are that similar to humans, they must be related in some way. I guess whatever that link is would have to come pre-2025, because we're not out in space yet, and we won't have any time to do so afterwards.

I really enjoyed this episode, this season is going very well.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I really liked this one, too. I was pretty cool on series 1/14 outside of Gatwa being excellent, but so far series 2/15 has been more enjoyable. The signing was very cool to see; I don't know any BSL so I have no idea how Gatwa did but it looked natural.

The subtitle tech does raise some interesting questions around what has led to it becoming so ubiquitous. I suppose it could also serve as a live translation tool, so it may not be exclusively to support deaf people and instead sort of a low-tech version of the translation matrix. That said, signing being mandated for all medical staff does seem to indicate that accommodations for deafness are strongly favored in Lombardic society.

The final ending scene was a bit cliched though, the episode would have been better to just end with the Tardis dematerialising.

Yeah, how I feel about that part will probably depend on whether it actually gets revisited sometime soon. If it's just for the sake of a sting ending with no concrete intention to do anything with it, then it's just doing the thing because it's a horror story and that's what they do.

EDIT: One thing the ending did leave me wondering was whether the monster simply jumped off Shaya to Mo, or if there are more than one of them. If Shaya's sacrifice meant nothing at all, that's pretty disappointing to me. But if she took it from two escapees to one, that at least gives her death some meaning.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago

Sign language aside, it would also make a spiffy universal translator.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'll definitely have to rewatch with the knowledge that it being a, uh, "sequel" to Midnight has no impact outside the emotional manipulation.

What I did like a lot was the BSL representation and the Tardis letting her humans make an effort to understand for once.

Is it realistic at all to require medical personnel to learn (at least some basic vocab in) the local sign language? You'd probably need bigger budgets which is an issue everywhere so anyone know what Lombardians are doing differently with their health care?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In today's society, probably not - in "Unleashed", Rose Ayling-Ellis says it takes the average person about seven years to become fluent. But it's a good dream to have, and if people started learning early enough in life, and valued it enough...

As for the Lombardians, maybe they have some improved sci-fi educational techniques. But at the same time, they clearly don't have the same expectations of their soldiers...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Maybe those subtitle projector thingies are considered a better solution but they're expensive and so they reserve them for the military? And everybody else learns sign language because it's cheaper? That doesn't sound right - always a good idea to go deep into speculative territory about society in soft science fiction 😅

Oh yeah, Unleashed, thanks for the reminder :D

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Okay, I was aware of the rumours that this was going to be a sequel to "Midnight", and sure enough...

Unfortunately, I'm not sure it was worth it. "Midnight" is so perfect as self-contained story about an inexplicable, unexplainable evil, and this episode didn't really bring much new to the table.

That said, it was engaging, and I enjoyed watching it. I guess my biggest complaint is that when you lose the abject terror of "Midnight", it's easier to get distracted trying to figure out the "rules" of the entity, and how it works. The performances were all excellent, and it's always good to have a horror story of this nature, but I don't think it's going to end up on my list of all-time great episodes.

I thought the reuse of Britney Spears' "Toxic" was a little puzzling - I guess the connection is that it was the last song heard in the history of Earth in "The End of the World", which gives it some weight now that the Earth is gone?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Flood Watch 2025

So, Mrs. Flood may not be human, but rather Lombardic, a conveniently human-like species that apparently rose to prominence after Earth was destroyed on May 24, 2025.

And it's possible that she's not so much interested in the Doctor, but rather the Vindicator, which is capable of triangulating and locking on to a particular date, and "reeling it in" in order to travel to it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

a conveniently human-like species

AMY: You look human.

THE DOCTOR: No, you look Time lord. We came first.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Judging from last week's preview we're in for a good old, tense horror story on a deserted planet. Also, seems there has been an embargo in advance reviews unlike the first couple episodes of this season, so I'm expecting some good scares the powers that be didn't want spoiled.

What I'm saying is, I'm not watching this until it's dark out, and then I'm probably watching it twice. Will leave an actual response when I have 🧑‍🚀

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So, that was pretty effectively scary! I do enjoy when Doctor Who goes for those collective elements of dread, like in "Listen" or with the Silents. It's something the show has done so well post 2005, and this was no exception.

I don't get the "sequel to "Midnight"" thing, though. There was nothing conceptual tying this to the older story (which I had to rewatch immediately after). The entities' MO are completely different, the only connective tissue was clearly extraneous and added exactly to force the connection.

If RTD had told us it was a "Listen" sequel I might've bought it, but here we are. And it was very much the Aliens school of sequels with a bunch of meatheaded marines as secondary threat. Without the strained callback I feel I would have liked this episode a lot more.

Loved all the guest stars, and the relationship establishing between the Doctor and Belinda. And the Mrs Flood appearance threw me. Is this her true identity, or just an act like last episode?

So another strong link in the season arc of the elusive May 25 and Earth disappearing. Just... less of the forced legacy connections, please.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don’t get the “sequel to “Midnight”” thing, though.

I haven't finished it yet, but the YT video I just shared to the community is shedding some light on how it came about.

TL;DW, they were having trouble getting their original idea (involving actual Nigerian gods) to work, scrapped it, noticed the similarities between what they had left and "Midnight", and leaned into it.

I don't really have a big issue with the entity's shifting motivation - and they did handwave it a bit by saying it was "leaning" during that first episode - but I think it's incredibly risky to do a sequel to an episode that's basically perfect.

Nowhere to go but down, even if you name something that's very good.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Nigerian gods

I'm sort of expecting those to come into play in a couple of weeks, though. "The story and the engine"? But I'll give the video a watch, see how it makes sense of the BTS reasoning 🙂