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[–] [email protected] 21 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (3 children)

Look, the only reason people start getting conservative, is when needs and wants start getting harder to acquire. Want to change that? then have affordable living make a come back. There's a reason why a decade ago people were more liberal, because shit was more affordable.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 hours ago

I've lived in a small rural prairie riding all my life. It's been not conservative one term in the last 40-50 years. The people who complain the most about Canada being broken are the ones who have owned their houses since the 90's and worked the same jobs for pretty much as long and have the health care system all their long lives and starting to collect cpp even while continuing to work, as long as it doesn't put them too much into the next tax bracket. They can't really explain how Canada is broken for them, beyond talking points. They can't really explain what they think Conservatives will do to fix the things they don't really know are wrong. They just vote conservative because liberal bad. The fuck Carney signs came out the day after he was confirmed as Liberal party leader. There was no time to formulate a hate for him, it was immediately implemented mindlessly

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago

This is correct, but I'd just like to add, it's because conservatives always provide simple answers, to complex issues because they don't actually care about fixing anything.

Housing too expensive? It's the immigrants!

Food too expensive? It's the liberal regulations!

Taxes too high? We'll lower them!

Every issue, they provide a simple, yet absolute bullshit fix for, but it's easy to understand and for a simple mind, simple solutions are the answer.

Liberals have failed to make progress on these issues because in part there's corruption, ineptitude, but for the most part because the solutions required are complex and take a long time to fix. And no-one has the courage to say this shit is fucked and we need a fix that addresses all of the facets of the problem.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Sounds to me what you're saying is "people start getting conservative when they don't actually understand any economics at all"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

How long have the Liberals been in power? And did they do anything about the current cost of living crisis? They've had every opportunity to fix this situation but they haven't. There's a reason why a Conservative win was predicted before trump went off his meds.

DO I think Conservatives would do better in power? Hell no, but they were at least saying "hey, we'll fix this so you can live on your current wages again."

The fact that they were American Republican Lite didn't matter.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

So because they're willing to say anything to get elected they're a better option? What have the conservatives actually done in the last 30 years to help working class Canadians? Are we supposed to suddenly trust them now that they realize they have to have actual policies instead of just 'hate this one guy'? Are we meant to ignore decades of Polivere's voting record?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The younger folks were, according to this post.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

Yes, but the question is why. Is it based on logic based reasons or due to the misinformation campaign? Because they think the current Conservatives will actually do anything to make substantial changes to address these issues or because idiots like Rogan and Mcleary tell them to hate the other side? Is it because they're not getting enough or just because someone else is getting something?

It's not like anybody is going to start building thousands of $500000+ houses and selling them at cost to the middle class. The only thing the feds would do to address housing would be to build low cost housing again. I can imagine how that would go over with the crowd we're talking about

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

I mean they did a fuck of a lot more than Harper!! Do you REMEMBER what life was like under Harper?? PP isn't a clone of Trump. He's a protΓ©gΓ© of HARPER, a controlling, paranoid little facsimile. All this shit with oppressive narcissistic control of the press is exactly how Harper behaved.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

There's a reason why a Conservative win was predicted before trump went off his meds.

What

How long have the Liberals been in power? And did they do anything about the current cost of living crisis?

Man you are going off

Yes, people are shit ass at understanding economics. Neither liberalism nor conservatives are great at balancing budget. But conservatives sute as shit are a whole lot worse at it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

Yes, The Conservatives in polling were looking at a possible majority acording to then current polls. But once trump showed his ass and the Liberals didn't back down, the Liberals polling numbers went way up. It probably also helped that Justin ~~was forced~~ decided to stand down as the Party leader.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The problem is that something is missing and it's being filled by angry reactionaries and right wing grifters who prey on the particular insecurities of young men, specifically insecurities around masculine values.

What's missing is a foundational framework for understanding the male experience as distinct yet coequal to feminist theory. A framework that seeks to promote a balanced, respectful dialogue by articulating unique structures, values, and challenges faced by men, in order to offer a lens through which male identity, struggle, and transformation can be understood on their own terms, while upholding - acknowledging - the progress and insights of feminism.

These men feel like they don't have purpose or identity. They need a framework, but unfortunately efforts to define and build such a framework are often hijacked by extremists that just hate women and minorities. Like we see now.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Do we really need to make the framework different for male and female humans? Why not use one for humans and teach tolerance to difference in general? I don't think many of the issues we face will be solved if we keep two different frameworks.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Chinese culture has the concept of 'eating bitterness' and it is universal. It's about being able to take the suffering, loss, pain, humiliation, and all the other bitter stuff that life can throw at you, enduring it, and building character, strength, and resilience out of it. It's a virtue. It's a universally admired trait.

North American culture is not great at eating bitterness. The culture here is more about eating sweet, or living the good life, and when people have to eat bitterness, especially those expecting to eat sweet, it is viewed as shameful and castigating rather than normal, and it easily turns a person towards grievance and a sense of injustice that makes them bitter inside instead of resilient and optimistic.

This is why I think men in North America, especially white men, have turned to characters like Jordan Peterson, or in worse cases, Andrew Tate. Jordan Peterson at least tries to help these men develop a sense of responsibility and strength that can be constructive and meaning- making. Guys like Tate, on the other hand, exploit their grievance to make them socially nihilistic. One is obviously much better than the other, but neither is a substitute for having a common social value place upon eating bitterness.

The "manosphere" gives aggrieved, frustrated, disappointed, and angry men stories to help them process their emotions, but they still rely upon self-centered and egotistical tropes like the hero's journey or misogynistic worldviews. These don't address the deeper and more universal reality that none of us (male or female) are heroes from Marvel movies, that deep, painfully-bitter experience is part of the common human journey, and that eating that bitterness with humility and without expectation of any award for being special, is a virtue that helps you develop character.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

I'm not from NA and I don't think that's specific to NA, I saw this in people from Western Europe, Northern Africa and Japan. Also whatever positive aspect of traditional culture there may be, everything seems to get crushed by the social media bulldozer consumeing hours a day from childhood.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

The framework that is built from the oppression of women, and the challenges that arise from that, does not represent the lived experiences, challenges, or values of men. All too often it diminishes these. To move forward in a spirit of mutual understanding requires a recognition of what matters to men; i.e., what provides purpose and value.

I feel that you may be misunderstanding me. This is exactly about tolerance and acceptance - including acceptance that men and women have different lived experiences that are founded on different fundamental principles of what is important and what provides purpose. Is it really so difficult to accept that men might find purpose or value that differs from women? I don't believe there is harm in acknowledging that, and respecting a healthy understanding of that difference.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 20 hours ago

I don't deny that the current experience of life is different because of gender/sex. So I am rather talking about the target, a society without sexism.

Is it really so difficult to accept that men might find purpose or value that differs from women?

Yes, I am indeed questioning this point. Is this difference in the essence of the gender or is it a social construct?

For me, it's actually not hard to imagine that men and women could share the same distribution of purposes and values, if the environment in which they grew up supported it. The diversity would be based on the uniqueness of individuals with little to no influence from the gender.

I find it very oppressing to have the specific framework you mention associated to you because of your gender. What about transgender people or people who don't associate with a traditional gender?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

AFAB here and I agree 100% - the issue is that by elevating that which used to acceptably be oppressed, the primary oppressor feels that they have lost station and position as they see society as a ladder - if you aren't at the top someone else is above you. That kind of thinking makes this even more difficult to solve.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 20 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 15 hours ago

AFAB = a female at birth AMAB = a male at birth

The More You Know

[–] [email protected] 2 points 20 hours ago

Agreed, masculists, especially the young ones, are mostly socially anxious and socially scared people who find shelter from their anxiety by oppressing another group. The solution is probably to work on this social anxiety from childhood.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Shitty parenting and the education system being eroded year by year. This is the generation that the billionaires wanted. Poor, stupid and complicit.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago

Yeah, make them idiots and then tell them they're the most important idiots and shouldn't feel less than. It's a Republican politician's wet dream to have a population of slobbering assholes who feel like they deserve more than everyone else and are being denied it

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I must live in a bubble. Both of my (university age) kids and their friends are vocally offended by Trump and Musk, and they think Polierve is a bad joke.

My oldest games online with a few Americans and they are also very anyi-trump. ("They wouldn't be my friends if they supported him")

[–] [email protected] 5 points 19 hours ago

You are most likely living in a bubble. Cherish it, but don't forget, that there are a lot of people that feel different from you.

I do have the same experience. My social circle is very much open, tolerant and absolutely hates what the GOP in America and right leaning/right wing parties in Europe are doing and proposing. I know almost no young people that support strong conservative or right leaning policy and talking points. I am however also in contact with a different group of people (through my countrys military/military reserve), that very much leans into those right talking points and favours more conservative policy.

If you can, engage with them and try to understand them and help them understand your point.

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[–] [email protected] 92 points 1 day ago (6 children)

The manosphere is the symptom.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This. I would argue housing affordability is one of the main root causes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 19 hours ago

And liberals won't take action to slow immigration which is only a layer of the problem, but it cost them votes for sure.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

All of vulture capitalism is the cause.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Talked to a few of my friend's kids. They all think Musk is a genius.

I see Andrew Tate victims in all of them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 20 hours ago

Ugh, what a terrible future we have.

[–] Kecessa 17 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Social democracy let everyone down (by being neither social or democratic, thanks to politicians thinking about their rich friends) and now people are surprised that a generation started to believe that an authoritarian leader would be better.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 day ago

Well the kids are leaning right because of propaganda and mind control. Plain and simple. Instagram and Twitter actively push ragebait content designed to radicalise impressionable kids.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Gen x parents have dropped the ball so hard it’s not even funny.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 day ago

These kids have got awful fucking parents

[–] Sixtyforce 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Where are their fucking parents? My generation bitches endlessly about boomers, then...raises another generation of them?

Nice.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Both working and burnt out by the rise in everything costing so much but wages being stagnant?

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