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[–] [email protected] 44 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Had to look this up cause that's cool - Tolkein worked in etymology of words in the range of Waggle-Warlock, so arguably not much work with the front of the alphabet.

Also - dwarfopodes.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

He should have referred them to the definition of “Wanker” then.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

dwari.

your move.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 4 days ago (3 children)

"Dwarfs" is for humans with dwarfism, "dwarves" is for the fantasy race.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That might be the trend now, but the common plural before Tolkien was "dwarfs" for the mythical creature.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 days ago

Yes, but thanks to him, it now isn't.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago

I can only speak for myself, but if I were a person with dwarfism, I think I would insist on "dwarves". Lean really hard into the fantasy angle.

[–] Birch 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

What about celestial bodies? Is it red dwarfs or red dwarves?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

Red dwarfs.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] CidVicious 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yeah I recall reading that he later said he wished he had gone with dwarrow since it's an older root word.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

He could have just written a story about how a wizard changed the word.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

Discworld explanation for anything unexplainable: 'Wizard did it"

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

Tolkien worked on part of the dictionary. I think he was assigned the letter W, so dwarf would not have been in his range. But he would not have defined the plural as dwarves anyway. He deliberately chose it differently for his fantasy creatures. Great flex, I wonder what the immediate reaction of the publisher was to that quote.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Ooh, crimes against the hobbit are even nore heinous though!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

In the preface of my edition of the Hobbit, there is an indirect reference made to this where Christopher Tolkien mentioned how the correct spelling is dwarfs and not dwarves.

Nice to know where it came from!