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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (11 children)

That it's controlled by a few is only a problem if you use it... my issue with it starts before that.

My biggest gripe with AI is the same problem I have with anything crypto: It's out of control power consumption relative to the problem it solves or purpose it serves. And by extension the fact nobody with any kind of real political power is addressing this.

Here we are using recycled bags, banning straws, putting explosive refrigerant in fridges and using led lights in everything, all in the name of the environment, while at the same time in some datacenter they are burning kwh's by the bucket loads generating pictures of cats in space suits.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Here we are using recycled bags, banning straws, putting explosive refrigerant in fridges and using led lights in everything, all in the name of the environment, while at the same time in some datacenter they are burning kwh’s by the bucket loads generating pictures of cats in space suits.

That's, #1, fashion and not about environment, #2, fashion promoted because it's cheaper for the industry.

And yes, power saved somewhere will just be spent elsewhere. Cheaper. Cause that means reduced demand for power (or grown not as fast as otherwise).

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago

ai excels at some specific tasks. the chatbots they push us to are a gimmick rn.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

AI business is owned by a tiny group of technobros, who have no concern for what they have to do to get the results they want ("fuck the copyright, especially fuck the natural resources") who want to be personally seen as the saviours of humanity (despite not being the ones who invented and implemented the actual tech) and, like all big wig biz boys, they want all the money.

I don't have problems with AI tech in the principle, but I hate the current business direction and what the AI business encourages people to do and use the tech for.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Well I'm on board for fuck intellectual property. If openai doesn't publish the weights then all their datacenter get visited by the killdozer

[–] Heliumfart 1 points 22 hours ago

Reminds me of "biotech is Godzilla". Sepultura version of course

[–] captain_aggravated 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

For some reason the megacorps have got LLMs on the brain, and they're the worst "AI" I've seen. There are other types of AI that are actually impressive, but the "writes a thing that looks like it might be the answer" machine is way less useful than they think it is.

[–] mindbleach 2 points 22 hours ago

Seconded. LLMs are neat - but they're fundamentally not oracles. They belong in video games, not in fucking Google.

They've served their purpose demonstrating that data and training will suffice to perform the impossible. We need to move on to better questions than 'what's the next word?' Text diffusion models should be better, but their metric remains 'that looks about right,' so their repeated adjustments will be wrong in fascinating new ways.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

most LLM's for chat, pictures and clips are magical and amazing. For about 4 - 8 hours of fiddling then they lose all entertainment value.

As for practical use, the things can't do math so they're useless at work. I write better Emails on my own so I can't imagine being so lazy and socially inept that I need help writing an email asking for tech support or outlining an audit report. Sometimes the web summaries save me from clicking a result, but I usually do anyway because the things are so prone to very convincing halucinations, so yeah, utterly useless in their current state.

I usually get some angsty reply when I say this by some techbro-AI-cultist-singularity-head who starts whinging how it's reshaped their entire lives, but in some deep niche way that is completely irrelevant to the average working adult.

I have also talked to way too many delusional maniacs who are literally planning for the day an Artificial Super Intelligence is created and the whole world becomes like Star Trek and they personally will become wealthy and have all their needs met. They think this is going to happen within the next 5 years.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The delusional maniacs are going to be surprised when they ask the Super AI "how do we solve global warming?" and the answer is "build lots of solar, wind, and storage, and change infrastructure in cities to support walking, biking, and public transportation".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago

Which is the answer they will get right before sending the AI back for "repairs."

As we saw with Grock already several times.

They absolutely adore AI, it makes them feel in-touch with the world and able to feel validated, since all it is is a validation machine. They don't care if it's right or accurate or even remotely neutral, they want a biased fantasy crafting system that paints terrible pictures of Donald Trump all ripped and oiled riding on a tank and they want the AI to say "Look what you made! What a good boy! You did SO good!"

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Two intrinsic problems with the current implementations of AI is that they are insanely resource-intensive and require huge training sets. Neither of those is directly a problem of ownership or control, though both favor larger players with more money.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

If gigantic amounts of capital weren't available, then the focus would be on improving the models so they don't need GPU farms running off nuclear reactors plus the sum total of all posts on the Internet ever.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

And a third intrinsic problem is that the current models with infinite training data have been proven to never approach human language capability, from papers written by OpenAI in 2020 and Deepmind in 2022, and also a paper by Stanford which proposes AI simply have no emergent behavior and only convergent behavior.

So yeah. Lots of problems.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

brian eno is cooler than most of you can ever hope to be.

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[–] [email protected] 146 points 2 days ago (33 children)

The biggest problem with AI is that they're illegally harvesting everything they can possibly get their hands on to feed it, they're forcing it into places where people have explicitly said they don't want it, and they're sucking up massive amounts of energy AMD water to create it, undoing everyone else's progress in reducing energy use, and raising prices for everyone else at the same time.

Oh, and it also hallucinates.

[–] mindbleach 1 points 22 hours ago

Training is transformative use.

I don't even care about actual piracy. A gigabyte of linear algebra having memories of all popular culture is a non-issue, for me.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Eh I’m fine with the illegal harvesting of data. It forces the courts to revisit the question of what copyright really is and hopefully erodes the stranglehold that copyright has on modern society.

Let the companies fight each other over whether it’s okay to pirate every video on YouTube. I’m waiting.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So far, the result seems to be "it's okay when they do it"

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I would agree with you if the same companies challenging copyright (protecting the intellectual and creative work of "normies") are not also aggressively welding copyright against the same people they are stealing from.

With the amount of coprorate power tightly integrated with the governmental bodies in the US (and now with Doge dismantling oversight) I fear that whatever comes out of this is humans own nothing, corporations own everything. Death of free independent thought and creativity.

Everything you do, say and create is instantly marketable, sellable by the major corporations and you get nothing in return.

The world needs something a lot more drastic then a copyright reform at this point.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago

Oh, and it also hallucinates.

Oh, and people believe the hallucinations.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It varies massivelly depending on the ML.

For example things like voice generation or object recognition can absolutelly be done with entirelly legit training datasets - literally pay a bunch of people to read some texts and you can train a voice generation engine with it and the work in object recognition is mainly tagging what's in the images on top of a ton of easilly made images of things - a researcher can literally go around taking photos to make their dataset.

Image generation, on the other hand, not so much - you can only go so far with just plain photos a researcher can just go around and take on the street and they tend to relly a lot on artistic work of people who have never authorized the use of their work to train them, and LLMs clearly cannot be do without scrapping billions of pieces of actual work from billions of people.

Of course, what we tend to talk about here when we say "AI" is LLMs, which are IMHO the worst of the bunch.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago

Same as always. There is no technology capitalism can't corrupt

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

He's not wrong.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Idk if it’s the biggest problem, but it’s probably top three.

Other problems could include:

  • Power usage
  • Adding noise to our communication channels
  • AGI fears if you buy that (I don’t personally)
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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The government likes concentrated ownership because then it has only a few phonecalls to make if it wants its bidding done (be it censorship, manipulation, partisan political chicanery, etc)

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago (6 children)

The problem with AI is that it pirates everyone’s work and then repackages it as its own and enriches the people that did not create the copywrited work.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago

I mean, it's our work the result should belong to the people.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The biggest problem with AI is the damage it’s doing to human culture.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

And those people want to use AI to extract money and to lay off people in order to make more money.

That’s “guns don’t kill people” logic.

Yeah, the AI absolutely is a problem. For those reasons along with it being wrong a lot of the time as well as the ridiculous energy consumption.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago

The real issues are capitalism and the lack of green energy.

If the arts where well funded, if people where given healthcare and UBI, if we had, at the very least, switched to nuclear like we should've decades ago, we wouldn't be here.

The issue isn't a piece of software.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago

Truer words have never been said.

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