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Wow. It’s really depressing watching us just ping-pong our failures to learn from each others mistakes. Did Labour hire the same consultants the DNC uses?
It has been Red Tory v Blue Tory for decades. The only difference between the two being the more or less thin veneer of socially liberal policy covering the hard fist of economic liberalism.
The only alternative presented to the public for years and years, in spite of the fact they had no MP's, was and is the pro Trump pro Russian Reform Party.
Sound familiar?
Aside from corbyn who almost won twice
One person's 'almost' is another person's 'no chance'. But seeing as how you are referring to something that didn't happen, it is completely irrelevant. Meanwhile neoliberalism continues regardless.
Humans' inability to deal with reality is almost endless.
It is because when presented with a fact that doesn't conform to the reality that somebody has (co-)constructed, they have to reject the fact, because they can't reject reality. Reality changes slowly.
Deal with reality, as quickly as possible, because otherwise it is going to deal with us.
The facts contradict what you said. Reform aren't the only alternative presented for years and years. There was corbyn's labour party, and he almost won - twice. The only reason he lost is that his own party repeatedly sabotaged him (and gloated about it), and the mainstream media, which smeared him, so that the most celebrated anti-racist in British politics became a racist and an anti-semite overnight.
Reform are the only alternative presented by the bbc and mainstream media to the red and blue tories. The Labour party smearing Corbyn, causing him to lose is precisely what I am talking about.
Please don't waste my time.
That's not what you said though, is it. Maybe be a bit clearer next time.
The only alternative presented to the public for years and years, in spite of the fact they had no MP's, was and is the pro Trump pro Russian Reform Party.
That's a very English centric comment. I'll stick to my own useless alternative party thanks.
Well of course, I mean the thread is about UK politics, but please enjoy your useless alternative party suggested by neoliberals.
So your arguments is fuck the non English. Amd you wonder why were pissed off
I mean, by my count, <17% of the seats are outside England, so it's not surprising people just focus on the main parties in England.
What are you going on about? Go and take your anger out smoewhere else. I am not your punchbag.
You are correct i chose my words very poorly. I apologise
However. In a response about people being fed up and feeling ignored by the system. Those outside of England have that plus the added feeling of the system not even pretending to fight for your attention
Oh look, if it isn’t the same shitty two party system where one party wants to push its right wing agenda and the other just wants to be rich. Sounds familiar?
I mean it was obviously a protest vote against the Tories. Labour just happened to be the only realistic protest alternative. They could've done great things with that opportunity, and they still can I guess, but it looks more like they're just riding along tbh
Same old Tory policies, same old Tory results.
Neoliberals neoliberaled.
There is a simple method for solving actual intractable-problems of things like urban-planning & civil government, as identified in "The Heretic's Guide to Best Practices".
It is issue diagramming.
They wrongly call it dialog-mapping, but dialogs are of people, & so political-possessions, whereas issues just stand on their own, & so can be independent-of-political-possession.
Also, they have a deranged infatuation with doing it sideways, calling that a "Capitola Pathway", but .. they're ivory-tower people, so that's fine for them.
Take a portrait-format page & lay it down at one's toes, & where does the "next step" part of the page happen to be?
Right above one's toes, right?
Where does the far-end-of-the-path, the Goal, happen to be on that page? The far-end, the top, right?
THAT is the right orientation for an Issue-Diagram, not sideways.
IF every issue gets solved as an externalized ( didn't Stephen R. Covey identify DECADES ago that the top-3% most-effective people ALL externalized their goals?? that isn't "mere coincidence"! ) Issue-Diagram,
with the structure of the problem displayed as a visual-spacial diagram, showing the connections and dependencies & showing IF this, THEN that connections..
THEN people gain much more complete understanding, much quicker.
People's keeping it in our heads, & just trying to muddle-to the "right" answer through our feelings, can't work for either entrenched-political problems OR for too-complex problems.
This method-for-getting-past-our-innate-unconsciousness-and-inability was cracked years ago!
It works, too.
( visual-spacial cracking-of-problems has been discovered to be not only key to cracking urban-planning, civil-problems, it has also been proven to be able to convert a massive-failure-rate among complex software development problems, to an actual-success-rate, instead.
Wrong-representation for the required critical-thinking is a fundamental error that we keep making.
I think it may be related to the fundamental-error of doing-the-same-thing-harder when what the actual-context-requires is changing-what-we're-doing, that was identified as a race-wide mental-defect in the book "The Design of Everyday Things", a book which is partly responsible for the instigation of the "Mythbusters" franchise, when Savage discovered, through that book, that if a system's operation wasn't intuitively-obvious, it may well be its user-interface was engineered-wrong, & ALL the users have the same problem, because of that.. )
Anyways, it was an English mathematician whose video, on software development, clued me in that the visual-spacial cracking of problems & communicating what they are, is THE key to actually succeeding, in ALL such cases..
& then I understood that "Heretic's Guide to Best Practices" was actually just doing a variant of that, in a specific domain..
The method's sound.
Have every component-decision identified,
have what brings the decision's result contributing to the goal be identified on 1 side of it, as a + ( or above it ),
have what variant of the decision would obstruct the gaining of the goal on the other side of it, say below it, as a -
& let people see the tradeoffs, & decide for themselves how these tradeoffs should be managed,
instead of just "authority decided for you", ( it should be obvious that the contempt-of-the-population inherent in that stance has political-consequences ) & never bothered including all the required perspectives anyways ( which is the political status-quo, globally ).
CHANGE the METHOD to change the results!!
A sentiment of Einstein's "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."
While it's unlikely that people will choose to survive if that requires us to stop letting unconscious-habit rule our world, .. it's possible that somebody will actually do-so, for some small portion of this world..
Otherwise, nonlearning .. has fatal consequences.
Globally, now.
Political-parties, though, why shouldn't they just continue obliterating our viability?
Nothing competes against the political-party-system, right?
Therefore the political-party-system doesn't need to learn, or change, or adapt, in any way, right??
Only when something is competing against a something, directly, CAN it learn?
Not as-in when the Trump-cult is competing against the Democrat make-belief, obviously that changed nothing..
but as-in when something's competing against the current system of misgovernment-by-political-parties, then the political-parties might temporarily show a little integrity .. until they removed the threat..
( anybody remember when the banks in Canada were temporarily behaving in an upright manner, because the trust-companies were competing against them .. until they were all bought-up by the banks?
this is what I'm talking about: inter-bank-competition changed nothing, but outsiders-competing-against banks did, until they were obliterated from significance.
I expect exactly the same results with political-parties.
No change due to inter-party-competition, ONLY possible-change when something threatens the political-party-regime-system )
Anyways, IF you value your municipal, or federal, or any between-level viability of some government, PLEASE use externalized, visual-spacial, Issue-Diagram style depiction of problems, leaving-out nothing-significant, to SHOW the actual decision-structures that have to be decided-between, & let the entrenched politically-motivated non-thinking fail to compete with your work.
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