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A Boring Dystopia

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 1 day ago (6 children)

With no DOE employees to process defaults?

Nobody should be paying a red cent.

If your choice is draining your entire bank account to the point you can't afford to live or suffering a credit score penalty, then the credit score should be sacrificed.

"but they can..."

Stop. Nothing they can do is worse than starving. Don't pay them. Use your money for your own needs.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (8 children)

Try getting an apartment or renewing a lease with a truly shit credit score.

Oops, you don't qualify anymore, anywhere, your options are now homelessness, much more expensive hopping between motels every 3 weeks, or live in your car, hope you're still making those payments.

Fairly difficult to cost-effectively cook and store food when you're in any of those situations.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

If this happens to too many people the economy will suffer. Eventually they'll have to start ignoring credit scores. We're rapidly reaching a point where the system can no longer compensate for the incompetencies and inequality and stuff will start breaking mechanically in ways that can't be easily fixed or routed around

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I wish more people understood no one can stop you if there is no one to stop you.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago

The problem is they're always has been. But that might not be true in 6 months time so stay alert

[–] [email protected] 16 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

I wish Trump didn't understand that.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (11 children)

Could you explain to non-Americans what is the appeal of student loans if they can do this? Why shouldn't people go to cheaper schools to get their degrees instead? I mean no disrespect, if you are rich go to Yale or whatever, by all means.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

There are no cheaper schools. There are expensive ones and more expensive ones. There is literally no option for the non-rich except to go into debt or learn to be a plumber.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Lots of trade schools are charging 10-20k/year and expecting 2 years of you…trades are great but we’re using student loans for them too depending on where you are*

*large cities tend to have better cheaper options like community college and there at least was some small federal schools that didn’t require loans. But not all areas have equal coverage here and you often get price gouged if you aren’t from that very specific city/town the community college is in. Tl;dr hopefully you live in an area with good resources which is not even remotely guaranteed.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 13 hours ago

Community College is awesome, literally the only problem is that they don't offer bachelor's degrees. You can learn certain skills for work from one which is nice and you can complete an associates degree which can sometimes be useful for work but you really need the Bachelors to get anywhere and my heart take is that Community College is shut off for a limited range of Bachelors degrees, not as many as state U but maybe a half dozen or so.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

learning a trade should be more encouraged, you can make a shit ton of money (relatively) without the debt

[–] [email protected] 8 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

True, but that isn't an option for everyone and we still need scientists and doctors and such.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

True, but that might take you 10 years to get to a point where you're no longer the new person and have skills to back it up.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 13 hours ago

that goes for any skilled labor. doesn't make what i said any less true.

also, there are paid apprenticeships with unions if you look.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Same as in the UK I imagine. No university is affordable. Unless you are rich, you can't go without a loan.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 22 hours ago (6 children)

I went to a really cheap school. My master’s was 40k.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 17 hours ago (10 children)

40k? In USD or in Warhammer? Cause that's a shite ton of money for college.

What did you study btw?

Also, I am great full to live in a shit hole country right now given that bill

[–] [email protected] 5 points 17 hours ago

40kUSD is nothing compared to some STEM degrees - especially at the masters level. PhDs can often be funded and not cost the student though (only in lost time...and mental health...)

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 23 hours ago (8 children)

Children are told that they MUST go to college to get a stable and high paying job. This is so prevalent that college degrees are just seen as “the next step after high school” and nobody questions it. These colleges have figured out they can charge almost anything because they are seen as the gate keepers to high paying and stable jobs. So banking on future earnings, bearly emancipated teenagers, with the absolute minimum of a financial education, make life decisions that will put them in debt for the next 20-30 years.

The problem with the whole system is there doesn’t appear to be enough high paying and stable jobs.

As far as going to a cheaper college, I think you identified the issue in your very own comment. Schools have different prestige levels. Yale, for example, is a high prestige school and not only are you paying for an education, you are also paying to connect to rich people. These connections can be worth a lot of money if they are used correctly. So going to a cheaper college also means less valuable connections.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 13 hours ago

The problem is that employers are allowed to demand a college degree without having to shoulder any of the costs associated, so they are the real consumers of the degrees and the students are just the middle men who bear the cost. They get entitled especially during the sessions too demand degrees for jobs that don't require them really and then that shifts education priorities for the whole country. If we regulated educational and certification requirements for jobs we can make this problem go away

[–] [email protected] 14 points 21 hours ago (5 children)

Even beyond connections, just the sticker on a resumé that says "" means you're less likely to get shunted into the shitter with 95% of other applicants, if you don't already have an "in" that cuts past the resumé stage.

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