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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

$5000? …A month? A sudden rate increase 10 times the agreed amount? This smells like rage bait. We are not in post-World War I, Germany, yet.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I mean... There's a full article explaining the cause for the increases, it's not like there's no reasoning provided.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 33 minutes ago (1 children)

The article says the loan costs have increased and gives lots of examples.

It doesn't explain why the increases have happened.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 minutes ago

Maybe cause of the 5trilion the US market has lost?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Just don't pay. Debt-strikes are far more damaging than a work-stoppage.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

It’s most likely that people won’t have a choice. Many people, anyway, from what I understand of USian wages and cost of living.

[–] slackassassin 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

American wages vary as greatly with degrees as cost of living does with location.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

I'm not talking about rent, I'm talking about the massive credit card and loan debt that has propped up millions of folks trying to live a lifestyle they can't really afford. In the US, it's incredibly common for folks to just take on debt for stupid shit, like a jacked up truck they only ever use to drive to the grocery store.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 minutes ago

this is the 6th time in the past 2 days i see this argument. blaming the people for using the system that has been forced on us over the past 20 years to bolster GDP.

i smell an attempted narrative change.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago

the most debt held by americans is from medical expenses

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (3 children)

It says "Trump’s changes to income-driven repayment plans."

I don't get it - aren't student loans fixed amounts, with monthly payments calculated to pay off the loan after a certain amount of time? How can they just raise the payments?

Not much detail in the article but it does mention Biden's student debt forgiveness plan being blocked and Trump pausing applications for some income-dependent payment thing. Are we seeing people whose payments would have been reduced by either of those suddenly not having them available anymore?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Most people are relying on income-driven repayment due to high interest rates and inflated tuition costs. IDR reduces your monthly payment to a fixed percentage of your income, but it does not scale the interest generated on the principle. The new SAVE plan was intended to scale the interest along with the monthly payment so your debt wouldn't keep piling up due to being on IDR.

Trump is removing all forms of IDR and blocking applications to renew existing plans, which means everyone will be forced to pay their full monthly amount (which is based on a 10 yr payoff plan). A lot of newer student loans are close to ~$100K or more, so imagine trying to pay that off in 10 yrs in the current job market.

Prepare for mass defaults on loans. This is absolutely going to crash the economy, and will very likely be worse than the housing market crash in ~2009.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

This is absolutely going to crash the economy

That's going to be offset by the coming war in Central America, ostensibly against the cartels that he is claiming are running the region.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

My mom qualified for, and received, federal student loan forgiveness. Yes, she had to make payments and work in a qualifying job for 10 years but due to her low income the payment amount was adjusted down.

Unless you're in a position that qualifies for loan forgiveness, and you trust that forgiveness will be there when you qualify, income based payment rates are not a good idea. The total amount owed by my mom actually grew over the years because the amount she was paying was less than the amount of interest charged. For a bit when she was 8 years in she had a scare that she wouldn't qualify and was shocked to find this out, despite saying "I've paid thousands!!!".

Your average American isn't very financially literat, or lives in the land of denial, which makes them easy to take advantage of.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

They've basically removed all forgiveness options. Were you on year 9 of 10 working towards PSLF? Did you plan your life around it? Whelp. Enjoy the rug pull.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

This right here.

My partner graduated with a Master's degree and about 40k in loans. After paying on an income driven plan for 10 years, they now only owe 45k!

Good time to point out that only about 30% of PSLF applications are accepted (so working for public sector for shit pay for 10 years has about a 30% chance of working) and (last I checked) only 37 (not %, but total) IDR plans have been forgiven.

You have been sold a lie about college. A degree will not get you a job. It will not get you 60k starting and double it in 4 years. Your field will not be hiring, and if it is, they'll want a doctorate and 10 years experience for barely a livable wage. Cancel student debt. Raise minimum wage, cap maximum compensation, implement a progressive tax rate, and establish social services so people can retire and turn over their jobs and roles to the next generation.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

Largely agree. The "right" degree in the "right" field you can land a decent paying job. There's no guarantee that this degree/field lines up with your personal interests, which will make it harder to do well in the field. There's also no guarantee that the the degree/field will remain relevant over time. If you're in the corporate job a fun/rewarding/engaging job is not common. Much more common is a boring, soul crushing, or grind fest type position. If the only life advice you get when you're young is "go to college" the odds of choosing the "right" degree/field is not very high.

You can absolutely make more going into a trade. Be a plumber, an electrician, a lineman, etc. Beyond trades, America is forgetting how to make stuff and that was a major source of higher paying jobs. There are also a number of interesting shocks on the horizon - the decreasing birthrate, changes in worker aptitude, a culture that leans into instant gratification (action!) over long term results, etc.

[–] yunxiaoli 3 points 8 hours ago

The US has income based repayment plans for all federally guaranteed loans. By removing or changing the limits in the formula, which is likely what Trump did, people that were paying $50/mo might have to pay market rates for their repayment which is unaffordable to pretty much everyone.

With ibr your interest tends to not increase despite having a much longer repayment time, allowing you to, you know, live and pay your student loans instead of having to choose in most cases.

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