"European tech industry calls for buying European tech" like no shit? I entirely agree, but what else would they suggest?
this post was submitted on 17 Mar 2025
236 points (99.2% liked)
Europe
4374 readers
1370 users here now
News and information from Europe 🇪🇺
(Current banner: La Mancha, Spain. Feel free to post submissions for banner images.)
Rules (2024-08-30)
- This is an English-language community. Comments should be in English. Posts can link to non-English news sources when providing a full-text translation in the post description. Automated translations are fine, as long as they don't overly distort the content.
- No links to misinformation or commercial advertising. When you post outdated/historic articles, add the year of publication to the post title. Infographics must include a source and a year of creation; if possible, also provide a link to the source.
- Be kind to each other, and argue in good faith. Don't post direct insults nor disrespectful and condescending comments. Don't troll nor incite hatred. Don't look for novel argumentation strategies at Wikipedia's List of fallacies.
- No bigotry, sexism, racism, antisemitism, dehumanization of minorities, or glorification of National Socialism.
- Be the signal, not the noise: Strive to post insightful comments. Add "/s" when you're being sarcastic (and don't use it to break rule no. 3).
- If you link to paywalled information, please provide also a link to a freely available archived version. Alternatively, try to find a different source.
- Light-hearted content, memes, and posts about your European everyday belong in [email protected]. (They're cool, you should subscribe there too!)
- Don't evade bans. If we notice ban evasion, that will result in a permanent ban for all the accounts we can associate with you.
- No posts linking to speculative reporting about ongoing events with unclear backgrounds. Please wait at least 12 hours. (E.g., do not post breathless reporting on an ongoing terror attack.)
(This list may get expanded when necessary.)
We will use some leeway to decide whether to remove a comment.
If need be, there are also bans: 3 days for lighter offenses, 14 days for bigger offenses, and permanent bans for people who don't show any willingness to participate productively. If we think the ban reason is obvious, we may not specifically write to you.
If you want to protest a removal or ban, feel free to write privately to the mods: @[email protected], @[email protected], or @[email protected].
founded 8 months ago
MODERATORS
My guess they recognise they lack visibility: People think there are no alternatives to big tech but other than hardware we’re not that dependent, especially in software. It’s a matter of switching to local or open alternatives which are ready now.
Yet government moves to Linux fall because it's complicated. It's not that simple unfortunately.
There needs to be a driving force (eg. Like china pushing it's os, or maybe this one with captain orange)
Everything is driven by the end user. And unfortunately we are a gray continent so the younger generation must start.
Alternatively I can't get my wife out of an iPhone because a Samsung is just to confusing.
What I can do in the background I do but it has to be easy and recognizable for 75% of the population.
Those failed Linux moves happened because governments are cheap and defer entire digitisation to municipalities and other local forms of government. It’s like there’s no planning of anything anymore („free market will solve everything”). It sounds ridiculous but even effing North Korea knows better.
If they were serious about it they’d hire couple of dozen open source software contributors first, do a small scale trial run where you iron out the kinks and submit patches where necessary and only then roll this out to regular govt clerks.
You can’t expect projects running on a shoestring budget to provide you with commercial grade solutions. Of course if you hire a big corpo that will promise you everything above but those somehow always turn out to be scams.
They went through the effort of creating their own fork, Limux. It has nothing to do with money (cant find the amount of money invested on the implementation btw) or deferring anything. No need to attach the process there. Yes, i'm sure there were some issues with printers and other stuff but that could be solved by replacement.
The problem was not Limux. The problem were the users as i pointed out. The Gray people and the "touchscreen" people that are stuck on something are going to rebel. As said before, your users need to be able to work with it and like it.
I consulted on multiple implementations and the main thing that matters to people for acceptance is: "is it sexy?". If its sexy, people will adopt it easier. Linux at that time was generally looking blegh.
- Thunderbird -> Not sexy
- Firefox -> debatable, but not to sexy
- Limux with KDE -> absolutely not sexy
- OpenOffice --> Not sexy
Users have to get used to something different, big hurdle. When looking at it, it looks like garbage, no interest.
It all depends on acceptance.
It could be that it would succeed now because the UI has come a long way.
All you say is true but not impossible to solve with adequate funding. I’d argue that Windows and Office is so user hostile these days that the barrier to entry is much lower than usual. Have you tried to save a file in Excel in the last year or so? It’s like Office Guantanamo and people are increasingly fed up
We've been the US' bitch for far too long. It will be extremely difficult and painful to become independent
I push for FOSS everywhere I can at work, but then we acquire a company and they casually drop "oh yeah we've built $solution on Azure Containers using Azure SDN with Azure API Gateway and Azure LoadBalancer and Azure Firewall and Azure Backups and Azure Georedundancy and we use Azure SAST and Azure pipelines (replace with microsoft marketing lingo as applicable - I don't care to learn it). Aside from that we're vendor-agnostic".
It's astonishing how "we can use Azure/AWS but let's not lock ourselves into proprietary solutions for which FOSS alternatives are readily available" is somehow a controversial statement in some software outfits. Ignoring the sovereignty concerns for a minute, from a business perspective you're essentially putting all your eggs in one basket and hoping really hard that Microsoft or Amazon don't pull a Broadcom and bankrupt you one day by hiking prices a few hundred percent.
It boggles the mind how existentially reliant most of the digital world is on the whims of like, three unchecked billionaires.
Silver lining is that's a great opportunity for development. Even more so, we've seen how things play out when such platforms are left unchecked, so we can try to avoid the downfalls of big tech.
All the more reason to do it. Better a hard struggle with freedom at the end than being someones bitch forever
as someone in the US, I would likely welcome some EU competition, the US is just a bunch of monopolies and trying to stay ahead of the enshitification is turning into a skill in itself, but now with the presidency akin to the paid programming infomercials, open markets are going to get worse as the convicted rapist shits diaper and gets upset with which ever CEO in the room winces at the smell first
Finally they recognize that there are alternatives to Google and Microsoft!
If OVH can run separate organizations structured so as to avoid targeting by the US and its CLOUD act, then so can Google; so can Microsoft.
If needs must, then AWS, Google and Azure will split and re-home themselves in Ireland, France, Switzerland -- faced with a line that doesn't go up, corporations will move figurative heaven and actual earth. If risk of enough revenue loss becomes an issue, then they would and will run a separate and distinct operation in each country; each region, if need be, if new Mexico fears Texas, for instance. And while they'll all trumpet their success in creating a perfect privacy wall and legal separation to where even state powers cannot legally compel inspection or direction of their operations, after one of them is shown to be lying or incompetent the effort will be done properly. And we'll have services we CAN trust - warily - to preserve our sovereignty.
But with their financial might, Google and Microsoft will respond to a real threat of churn. We will not see exodus.
Its good to see this movement is growing by the day.
Gotta say ironic that this is posted on a platform that's from Yahoo (which is from a US investment agency)
We don’t need to start with big products such as phones. Start small, such as moving off to a new email for personal use. Keep the gmail one for junk use (i.e: when signing up to services). Ask your closest friends to switch to Signal instead of WhatsApp. Use Firefox instead of Chrome (you can import all your browser settings). This process will take years and shouldn’t simply be a knee jerk reaction).
I recently switched of Dropbox in favour of Hetzner's hosted Nextcloud deployment and I'm very happy. One step at a time, I'll work towards being rid of corporate US tech.
Also, if anyone here is using Notion, you should check out Suite Numerque's Docs which is an open source competitor being developed by the French, German, and Netherlands governments. It's looking very promising. There's scratchpad here you can use to try it out.
@[email protected] should be investing in opensource with much fervour. It keeps the keys out of the hands of a few and spreads the knowledge. Someone trained one closed system won't have to relearn everything from another closed system. Countries will be able to adapt and solve issues across borders and efforts can be unified to secure software and infrastructure.