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Discord Popcorn Picture (self.asklemmy)

submitted 10 hours ago by gay4dudes to c/[email protected]

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I got baited into posting a picture of a child eating Popcorn on Discord, not knowing it was associated with CSAM. The account got banned, but I dont care about it but more about the legal consequences. Has anyone heard of legal action against people posting it?

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[–] felixsu7 5 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Helpful video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kyc_ysVgBMs

But basically, the picture was a cropped frame from a CSAM content, which then their systems thought you are posting CSAM content when you did not.

About the legal consequences, i am not a lawyer, but i don't think you will be visited by the police anytime soon, since the picture you posted isn't CSAM by itself, just a cropped portion which does not contain the material itself.

Edit: as someone said, it goes through multiple human reviews.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

How does eating popcorn == CSAM?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

From what other people have said and from the occasional video that's popped up on Youtube, Discord has a library of CSAM content that its automated systems match against and there are certain individuals that try to bait people to post seemingly innocent pictures that are actually frames from said videos. Discord's systems see that the image is a frame from such material and will auto-ban the account

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

This is fascinating and I have a bunch of questions, basically all centered around the fact that possession of the such content is outlawed. I don't exoect OP to know, but maybe someone else does:

Isn't it illegal to have a library of such content? Is there a legal carveout for that, like Coca Cola importing cocaine?

How is the library compiled, maintained, and added to?

Is the library specific to Discord or is it a shared library maintained by some centralized "authority" or developer? If it's specific to Discord then can we assume there are many different libraries of illegally produced and possessed content compiled and maintained by various social media companies? Who's got that job? Do they get therapy in their benefits package?

[–] gay4dudes 2 points 2 hours ago

As far as I understand they use a tool called PhotoDNA (AI company acquired by Discord) which they use to scan pictures.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

No. I see no way to prosecute over popcorn. If a country actually did I would find the exit. Fast!

Not condoning child abuse

But popcorn?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah.

Discord needs to moderate, so they ban and therefore conclude their legal obligations.

If it was CSAM and discord thinks it's bad enough, they will probably forward the information to the authorities.

Now if the authorities think it's worth an investigation and give it the proper priority, they will start one. If the investigation concludes and they still think you've done goofed bad enough, they will persue you under criminal law.

See how many ifs there are and how many people have to sign off on it? There's quadruple human review at minimum in there, and there's no way they think they can win on those charges when the evidence if gd damn popcorn.

Also, you can appeal a ban. I got auto banned on discord about 2 months ago and I appealed because I know for a fact I did nothing wrong - I was literally asleep and my last messages did not even contain profanity. I was so mad cause that account is important to me. They reinstated it - to their credit - in a matter of hours. Still, could've done without the heart attack.

TL;DR you're more than safe as long as it wasn't actual CSAM.

[–] gay4dudes 2 points 2 hours ago

Yeah, like I found the exact same image posted on Twitter since 2 years and it is still up.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago

no. they won't send the police after you. if they wanted to you wouldn't be online currently. it's just their stupid AI auto flagging things.