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[–] [email protected] 36 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

A one day boycott is about as effective at sending some kind of message as taking off a condom after the first thrust is at preventing a pregnancy.

Americans are seemingly incapable of doing anything other than virtue signalling online.

I say this as an American.

I moved over from corporate tech work to take a pay cut to do tech work at a non profit helping the homeless, to actually, literally do praxis.

No one, none of my friends, none of my family, nobody seemed to understand why I believed that ones actions should align with ones beliefs.

Americans are largely performative, self-obsessed narcissists.

I am beyond disgusted with this country.

I spent a decade telling people what is currently occuring is not only possible, but becoming increasingly inevitable.

90% of people told me I was mentally ill.

10% said yes they agree, but what can you do?

Fine. Fuck it.

There is nothing we can do I guess, as doing something would involve actual planning, risk and sacrifice, and we're all a bunch of either vapid preening esoteric socialites, or murderously stupid death cultists.

Beam me up Scotty, no signs of intelligent life here.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago

No one, none of my friends, none of my family, nobody seemed to understand why I believed that ones actions should align with ones beliefs.

When I was in high school, I wanted pursue college to do clean energy or agricultural research. Nobody who was in a position to help me fix my education track wanted to talk about anything but careers and income. I've just been watching everything get worse and they've just been enjoying their popcorn and circuses since then.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Here's the thing: resistance movements don't happen overnight except in the most extreme of circumstances, and since our transfer of power was (technically) peaceful, people aren't feeling the kind of hurt that would drive them to protest just yet.

So, people who are wise enough to see what's coming have to start small. Start with a small protest, then work your way up. Boycotts like this one are good for getting people to do something to start off. It might not do a whole lot at first, but they'll start to add up as more and more people become aware of the movement.

Eventually, more drastic action can be taken, but getting people together and proving that they have the numbers to make a difference is vital, and unless a catastrophe happens, that process takes time.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Cool.

I've been doing such things, going to protests, volunteering for various advocacy/aid groups, helping to organize them, switched my entire career path etc., for nearly two decades...

...and what it looks like to me is... 80 to 90% of people treat what I do as an annoying ad they skip, as if me actually doing this in the real world, is indistinguishable from meaningless virtue signalling, and 10% of people are like you, coming in here and making a comment like that... for two decades.

I've been radicalized since getting simultaneous degrees in Econ and Poli Sci during the 07/08 financial crash, and since, have been doing everything I can to avert/mitigate this entirely predictable future we have now arrived at.

When was the last time you did something that actually had a positive effect on society?

At this point, I agree with Sergio Leone:

When I was young, I believed in three things: Marxism, the redemptive power of cinema, and dynamite.

Now I just believe in dynamite.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

People march in the street, they get ignored, they protest and get ignored. Nobody in power even cares about protests.

Literally nothing will happen until a mob starts "unelecting" this administration. So who is it going to be? Who is going to throw their life away for a bunch of strangers who don't give a fuck about them? Who will throw their life away for a country or society that doesn't give a fuck about them?

You realize you're asking for Jesus Christ here

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Luigi did it. (jk of course, how could he, he was helping me with my yard work that day)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

No he didn't, the killer got away.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

"There are no heroes left in man"

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 days ago

As an old Canadian socialist with the lumps to prove it, I agree. There is so much performance, and so little action. I spend time on reddit, trying to get keyboard warriors to understand that posting an opinion will not magically cause the fascist Administration to collapse and get a lot of "The media refuses to cover us!" bullpuckey. There are thousands of newsrooms in the USA that are not owned by billionaire tech bros or MAGA devotees (see, for example https://www.trustworthymedia.org/ › list-of-independent-media ) and most social media is still wide open to pictures and facts about your actions. If you are acting, let the independent media -- most but not all of whom are progressive, check first -- know and post your pictures (faces blurred if need be) and stories everywhere you can reach people.

Meantime, buy Canadian, buy local, or don't buy at all, at least it's something!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago

wikipedia/cargo_cult

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)

My favorite restaurant is not a chain, I'm a regular there, and they have a once a month special on one of these days. I would rather support them on one of these days than buy nothing.

To be fair any excuse to eat there is good. Greek food is awesome.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Most likely they are buying most of their products from Sysco Corporation. Small businesses are still not immune to large corporations. The could of course also be simply buying from a local Costco Business Center. The issue is that large corp owns and controls everything. It's already too late but do what you can. Doing something is better than nothing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

Doing something may be worse than morning if it drains the resources and sates the fervour of those who should be doing something real

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I don't buy anything on most days normally. Days isn't going to do anything and stop telling yourself it will.

Stop it entirely or as much as you possibly can. Never order from Amazon again. Where you do need to buy stuff buy as little as possible. Stop visiting pubs and restaurants. If your goal is to damage the US economy. Avoid as much as you possibly can that goes towards it.

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[–] [email protected] 142 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I grew up in a protest to save my neighborhood from being demolished for a highway.

What the news reported was the protests in front of city hall to finally convince them to move the highway.

What you didn't see was the incredible legwork getting dozens of local businesses to support us. Getting bake sales in schools to fund billboards. Doing social disobedience by blocking traffic and having people arrested. Disrupting city hall over and over and over. This was my life for months.

And it finally worked.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago

Can't let people know where their power lies. If enough people believe in the ritual magic of peaceful, ignorable protests, then they will justify violence against protestors who actually put real pressure for change and the system can just overlook acts of violence against protestors rather than having to actually commit them itself.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago

Fight the power. ✊🏿

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

If you completely trust everyone in your coalition it is not a coalition.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago

Man this is something I struggle with outside of politics too

[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Rule number 1 of protesting is always that if the protest can be suffered or ignored, then it will be.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I don't think that's fair, the fact that enough people care enough to show up and protest can have an effect by itself.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago

Often that's only if those in power worry there will be consequences for the protests being ignored. It could be as simply as worry about being kicked out of office, damage to property, or damage to them or their family (such as Republicans staying in line with Trump because of worries about stochastic terrorism).

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 week ago (14 children)

The problem I've found with the "Buy nothing days" is that it's not really encouraging buying less. With the possible exception of a few in the moment things, it's really just pushing purchasing to the day before or the day after. Someone seeing economic data for that specific day might notice something, but even just factor in the day before and the day after and it's not going to make much of a difference. It didn't cost the corpos anything, so they won't even notice.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (2 children)

At this stage it's more about proving we can organise, rather than actually denting anyone's profits or inconveniencing ourselves. Let's all agree not to buy anything on this one day, as a first step. Next we'll organise not buying on two days. Then maybe a week. Then steadily ramp it up until we're noticed and they start doing something about it.

Refusing to participate on the grounds that it isn't the perfect solution is short-sighted.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Refusing to participate on the grounds that it isn’t the perfect solution is short-sighted.

Less an issue of "refusing to participate" and more a question of "what am I participating in?"

People who are enthusiastic about participating in a bigger organizing project still have a limited amount of resources - time, money, physical energy - to expend. Part of any organizational campaign is to connect with people and channel their efforts efficiently. Another part is highlighting your accomplishments such that participants feel rewarded and are enthusiastic about the next effort.

What did the Feb 28th "No Buy Day" accomplish? Who participated? Who benefited? What is there to brag about? Why would I want to participate again in the future? Who am I even coordinating with in the future?

I'll raise a counterpoint. Was at a pro-choice march in my home town years back. I got to meet other activists. I got to spend time with friends. I got to see how many people in my town were enthusiastic supporters of women's rights. All of that was productive and affirming, even (perhaps especially) in the face of Roe's repeal and the Trump electoral win. I got to meet other people and talk to them and plan out future volunteer efforts.

I didn't get any of that out of this movement. I didn't see people picketing outside retail stores or championing any explicit cause. I didn't see any efforts to confront protesters or any concessions made by business. I only knew one person, personally, who was actively participating and even she conceded she was just going with the flow and didn't have any expectations or know anyone else who was doing this.

This isn't an issue of perfection, its an issue of community and effort building. If there's a large cohort of activists who got in on this and are stronger for it, great! But I didn't see it anywhere in my neighborhood.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

Oh I didn't refuse to participate, and I still encourage any effort we can manage, but these "don't buy anything on X days" concepts are themselves just deeply flawed. Don't buy anything for a week? Alright so either I just don't eat for a week, or I'm only offsetting purchases to before and after. It still doesn't make a dent. If your protest doesn't hurt the corpos, they don't care. Showing we can organize is great, but iterating on this format can't be the end goal.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Huh, Thursday and Saturday are a bit more popular now and Friday dropped off. Should adjust shift patterns a bit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

By reducing our labor spend on these spend nothing days and not increasing our labor spends on these days surrounding them, we’ve increased our profits!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

A lot of it also boils down to people's inability to not buy highly processed food. Staple foods (potatoes, rice, flour) are relatively cheap, but turning them into complete meals take time and skill. So, takeout and fast food turns from a once-a-while into almost everyday.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

People actually eat fast food daily? No wonder Americans are so fat

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What is not usually mentioned is the psychological effect protests have on the people attending. The feeling of being one of many who care about an issue gives people hope and energy to keep tring to change it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

While at the same time not doing anything meaningful involving actual work

Progressives have weaponized procrastination against themselves

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