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From the new terms:

When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox.

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[–] Strepto 15 points 1 day ago (8 children)

This is unfortunate. I've been advocating for Firefox and managed to switch many of my friends. This is where I draw the line.

Time to switch to something else.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I read the article but still don't understand what this means:

You give Mozilla all rights necessary to operate Firefox, including processing data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice, as well as acting on your behalf to help you navigate the internet.

When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox.

I've seen corporate mission statements that were clearer.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I read it as "you type a URL in the address bar, we'll take you there. You want to search for something using the search bar? We got you, we'll forward your search to the search engine of your choice. All free of charge."

It's just worded in such generic legal wording it makes you gag. But them pointing it out so explicitly just makes me more suspicious lol. I think it's fine for now, just another wall of text to keep an eye on for any future modifications.

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Come on Mozilla, what the fuck are you guys doing? You don't have the luxury of monopoly and you're going to alienate those few diehard fans who stick with Firefox because alternatives are shit and they all run Chromium even if they aren't.

Ladybird needs to materialize fast before it's too late.

I'd go Waterfox, but I really like the on-machine translation in Firefox that Waterfox doesn't have it.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 day ago (13 children)

LibreWolf has the on-machine translation and when you disable some of the hardcore privacy defaults it is a quite good Firefox replacement.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

That's my biggest problem with LibreWolf: the defaults are waay too strict and disable/break so many things

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 day ago

So much for being a "private browser." It literally says that on the app store in the title.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fantastic, guess I'll be looking for an alternative to Firefox.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago (4 children)

From what I can tell the general consensus is LibreWolf.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago

Omfg I'm sick of this bullshit

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I await to see technical enforcement of it. Anyone can write rules on a piece of paper, but without collecting information physically, or having someone enforce it, it's useless words. And so far it seems a lot of people and companies make rules and claims without technological enforcement.

I imagine though at worst you can simply block all of mozilla's domains through /etc/hosts and their IPs or IP range with a firewall rule. Still sucks but you do not need to comply with it, no matter what anyone says. It's the technical aspects that are the most thorny, not the words on a page.


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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Sigh.

Is it so hard to just be an ethical company? Must every product and service become enshittified?

Couldn't they have just made these "features" an add-on that the user can choose to install (and agree to a separate ToS to use), rather than have it baked into the browser code?

There was a time when you could use the same piece of software or service for decades without worry. Now, I feel like I'm replacing software every few months because of enshittification.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Is it so hard to just be an ethical company?

Companies, by definition, can not be ethical.

What we need is for Mozilla Fd to become a employee coöp.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Companies, by definition, can not be ethical.

Why not?

It's not necessary to treat employees like garbage. To treat private data like a form of currency. To not give a damn about the environment or the future of humanity.

These are choices that the head of these companies decided would be either easier and/or more profitable, and society should be punishing those behaviours.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Bruh. Is there a Firefox fork on Android? I have Librewolf on desktop but I don't think they have an Android app sadly.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago

Fennec is one for Android. Seems okay so far.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago

Doesn't apply to forks, but still...

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