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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

When I first got a Bluesky account, back when it was invite-only a whole bunch of the Physicists and Astronomers I used to follow on Twitter were already there. If anything it seemed like scientists were early adopters.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 hours ago

I would prefer any ActivityPub instance, but press media (and in general private entities), to which scientific institutes intend diffusion, is moving to bluesky...

[–] Mars2k21 41 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

Going to play devil's advocate here.

Bluesky is just...better than any Fediverse microblogging platform. In terms of UI, discoverability, and keeping a balance of users in the community.

Mastodon sucks for regular people. And none of the other better platforms like Firefish ever gain enough steam to beat Mastodon because of existing issues in the structure of the Fediverse and ActivityPub (this also includes Mastodon itself to an extent).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 hours ago

Mastodon is great.

The only reason why it doesn't get as much traction is because it doesn't manipulate your dopamine and serotonin receptors like other networks do with their black box algorithms that are designed to steal as much of your attention as possible, while almost certainly throwing you into an unhealthy filterbubble/echochamber.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago

what are those?

existing issues in the structure of the Fediverse and ActivityPub

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

The other issue is, nobody is trying to take on Facebook. Not really anything in the FLOSS community like it.

[–] Pika 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

I believe you've hit the nail on the head, the only people I've noticed that really want such a social media account are generally people who were older than millennial, out of Millennials, gen Z and gen A, I don't really see much interest in a social media account that is directly linked to your actual identity. Most of them are more interested in a pseuado-anonymous style account that only asks for a username and doesn't actually link you to a real world identity.

Facebook was great in principle, it was intended as like a college student community and evolved from there, it was never meant to fill the goal of what the platform is doing today.

As such as Facebook deteriorates, there isn't a huge demand for a Facebook alternative, because the people who are leaving the platform aren't actively seeking to replace what is lost.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 hours ago

There's a couple contenders but they're not very good. I think most FOSS people don't WANT a facebook alternative; they'd prefer to keep their IRL identity separate from the internet. And the people who don't care also don't care enough to want to go federated.

There's spacehey as a myspace alternative though. That's pretty neat but it's full of teenagers unfortunately.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Friendica aims at that. I'm not sure about the results as I haven't tried it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

Yeah, honestly Friendica has been around for ages at this point and I assume is pretty damn mature in terms of most features.... what is exactly missing here that it isn't even worth mentioning by name when talking about replacing Facebook?

[–] [email protected] 41 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (2 children)

Would be better if it was Mastodon, but I suppose I shouldn't let perfect be the enemy of good, and good riddance to Twitter, indeed.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

Same here, well said. Bluesky’s not perfect, at least it’s not Twitter. I wish more people would use it though

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

While there has been some onboarding QOL stuff for mastodon, Bluesky still has them beat on that.

The "People" segment in the explore menu is a nice start, but it's still dependent on the users picking a server that somewhat matches their interests.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

thing is lot of that is on purpose. mastodon and fediverse are more of an attempt to come back to the state where there is no algorithm picking for you... but too many people nowdays are simply too lazy to search and actively choose what they want to see.

what we really need is to separate content (keep that in fediverse) and content access and presentation (the interface people use to access the content). if you want a bot feeding you content whole day and for your internet to become a tv you nobody can stop you. but if you want to think amd search nobody should stop you either

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 hours ago

The thing is, bluesky is just old twitter, it will become X eventually...Bluesky sucks, but jessus, mastodon sucks in terms of usability. Its only for technical people and experience on mastodon is fatal compared to bluesky, sad that mastodon won't take over, as it could...at least bluesky is not bad YET.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 hours ago (5 children)

I have no clue on the reasons people like Bluesky (or threads). None at all.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Bluesky has a lot more normies on it while mastodon is mostly early-adopter types. Mastodon, in my experience, is either very technical people (software engineers and other tech people) or very political people. Bluesky has normal people on it

I checked out threads for a day and I liked it because the algorithm wasn't jamming a bunch of outrage content down my throat but that's the only thing I can say about it. Haven't used it since then (deleted my entire meta account)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Took me like a day on bluesky to find all the funny people. Never saw any funny people on mastodon. :-(

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 13 hours ago (27 children)

I feel like scientists should move towards open source solutions ... I feel like most scientists are smart enough to launch a mastodon server, but well.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Never worked in academia eh? Plenty of dumb (and, more importantly here, computer illiterate) people there too.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

I'm pretty sure there are a handful of technically literate scientists who are able to install servers lmao.

[–] earphone843 5 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Being a scientist doesn't mean you have the technical knowledge to run a public facing server.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Being a scientist kinda means to me you're able to follow a very easy to understand guide to install mastodon on ...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Being a scientist also kinda means understanding what are your strengths, and how you can combine them with other people who are smart along very specific narrow vectors.

Being a scientist means understanding that if you work together with the right kind of smart, curious people you can build amazing things that will improve the world.

Being a scientist in 2025 means understanding the modern business world is utter bullshit and will rot any science it touches to the core.

Being a scientist, like truly living that ethos, means being someone who believes the truth is important and that there are power structures who will fight tooth and nail to subdue that truth or hoard it to themselves for personal gain.

Being a scientist thus effectively means that I would expect that after having a brief conversation with you that you would at least understand the grave danger that entrusting science communication in another for profit social media company poses and how it doesn't seem sensible to take that risk when the actual material barriers to creating Fediverse communities as alternatives aren't actually that high no matter how much it feels like the barriers are impossible and the network effect is unbeatable.

Don't get me wrong, those hurdles are real, the fediverse can be confusing, there are lots of growing pains here.... however, not every scientist needs to become an expert in selfhosting Fediverse software, and not every scientist needs to become a Fediverse evangelist (although it wouldn't hurt), but we do need to connect boldly and clearly the tragic hypocrisy of supposedly truth valuing people (scientists, science communicators and leaders that defend science) all shepherding dutifully onto another platform that will silence and betray them violently.

Scientists are inherently aligned with modern progressive politics, or rather scientists need to understand they are at everything up to physical bodily danger from being hurt by conservatives now and they need to understand that makes them fundamentally aligned with modern progressive politics.

There is no "I don't want to get political here" and the failure of the science community at large to recognize how embracing Bluesky as if it was a genuine solution to the unfolding catastrophe of science being defunded and destroyed is embarrassing. Those of us on the Fediverse should be kind, but also we should make fun of them for not using their brains. They clearly have them. Fucking use them you fools.

Bluesky is a for profit corporate venture, the same EXACT incentives that now have placed us all very much in danger and have placed the very funding structures of science in danger the world over (at least in US/European connected science communities) are at play in Bluesky and Scientists betray the begrudging respect the public has for their intelligence (even if they pretend to hate Scientists) by treating Bluesky like it is safe. Bluesky is not safe. This is no different than scientists endorsing any other thing that is fundamentally a threat to the health and safety of innocent people. It is just new, people are scared and scientists are largely too overwhelmed to see things for how they are.

At the end of the day, every Scientist needs to hear to their face that Bluesky is a threat to science, science education and the free access to knowledge in general the world over, they need to defend their choice to go on Bluesky anyways instead of Mastodon (both is fine tho) along the terms of what motivates their pursuit of studying and doing science. I don't care if scientists are already overwhelmed and scared, they along with everyone else have all the information to understand why choosing Bluesky to throw the weight of science communication behind is dangerous, and it is unacceptable to give them a pass because 2025 is a terrifying mess. 2025 is a terrifying mess for reasons DIRECTLY RELATED TO THIS DISCUSSION. Scientists should understand that better than almost anyone else if they are paying attention, and many do which is why Mastodon is full of scientists!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 hours ago

Bluesky is open source though

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

First time seeing HTTP code 451

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 hours ago

https://http.cat/status/451

because I needed an explanation of what that means, and I wanted it to be cute and funny.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 hours ago

"Sorry, it's literally impossible for us not to sell your data!"

[–] [email protected] 28 points 13 hours ago

There's no excuse for using Xittter in 2025.

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