It's only legal to make an attack dog if the cops own the dog.
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I hope I'm understanding your angle of approach on this.
Crowd control dogs are highly trained and don't go out on a rampage unless commanded to. It's their handler that triggers the response. Otherwise, the dogs do not exhibit arbitrary aggression behaviour. Even military trained dogs must not demonstrate aggressive tendencies; if so, they would be a danger for their handlers and other allies. The attack behaviour is developed and triggered under specific conditions and commands.
You can train a dog in the same manner. Dog trainning is an open knowledge base and I personally think everyone should work with their dogs in order to give them the best outcome possible for their lives. It's the closest symbiotic relation our species has with another, in my understanding. And it's fun.
From this point forward, I'm going to talk from personal experience.
I was lucky enough to have the perfect dog in a very bad point of my life. That dog forced me out of my house, to go on long walks and think on something other than my misery. I never taught a single thing to him beyond sitting and laying down on request. I never taught him to wait for me, keep an eye out when I was foraging for something or being protective of my family.
This was dog that, still not fully grown, took on two other, bigger than him, to protect my infant child, out of his own vollition. And that when called by name returned. This would be the same dog, that years later, would stare down another> , known for being unreliable around children, into submission, a dog the person responsible for feared and kept chained. I had a lord by my side and I was lucky for it.
When that dog died in my arms, of old age, I lost a brother and a son. I'm crying as I write these words.
Today I have two dogs of the same breed but I have severely failed them, by allowing another person to force me to take them to under the wrong conditions: separatly and too early. This created a vicious beggining for their lives, making them fearful and wary of everyone, which made them prone to be aggressive out of fear and aggressive towards each other. Things have been better with some measures but I feel as I failed them.
Most dogs show aggressive behaviour out of improper care, be it by negligence or abuse.
I've been studying and working, actively, to be a dog trainer. I have scars, from my own dogs, for mistakes I've done. I hold no anger against them. It was my mistakes that made them react to the world as they do today. I've helped other people not make the same mistakes with their dogs; it's my small contribution for a better world, I hope.
I've only met two dogs beyond any reach. One diminished from birth causes, making the dog effectively uncapable of acquiring any modulation to his behaviour; besides eating, nothing mattered and he would attack anything he viewed as potentially edible and attack to keep others from food, even after being fed to satisfaction. The other had been severely abused, being given alcohol as a pup, which stunted his development, both physical and mental. The dog would attack out of nothing, anything, and would not calm down until passing out of exhaustion. I believe he suffered from allucinations. Both had to be put to rest, as their lives would never be happy.
So, you can have a dog prepared to defend you. You just need to prove you can take care of the dog properly.
That's a very touching story, and something tells me you had German Shepherd dogs. I agree they can be some of the most loving and loyal companions, but you should know their breed has a huge variety of personality traits, and some of them are just naturally skittish, aggressive, or untrainable. If they were abused, it's basically impossible to undo that trauma. I've had a lot of experience working with many breeds, and you shouldn't blame yourself for their problems.
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The girls I currently care for were taken, one too early from her mother, at six weeks old, and because I was to overprotective of her, as there was a declaration of an infecto-contagious disease, fatal for puppies, and for which she could not be vaccinated before being six months old, in the least, she lost that very important early socialization window and became a very stressed and fearful dog. Even today, some gestures like rubbing her belly can trigger a growling reaction. She is lovely, otherwise and will bark and lunge but will gladly run off at first chance.
The other one, was the last one leaving her mother, at 12 weeks, but she was very underweight and skittish when coming home. Even today she stresses over food very easily. I risk she was poorly fed and had to fight for every piece she managed to get. She is very territorial and often is the first aggressor when they fight as she does not trust her sister around the family when she starts barking or fretting over anything.
Things have been easier later, as we introduced somw grounds rules to the family, especially my kids, that easily get into panic mode and start screaming for anything, which is a very clear trigger for them. If the kids are scared, there is a potential danger. When they don't find it, they turn on each other and these are vicious dogs when engaged in a fight.
My male would enter a full kill-or-be-killed attitude when any threat presented itself. I never had any problems with him because we worked very well as a unit and I was always ready to take the first step to send away another dog before things got out of control. But this breed has gladiator spirit: outnumbered, out muscled, they fight to the death, if need be.
Don't know much about this, but some experts have this to say on Pitbulls: https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/pets/are-pit-bulls-dangerous-experts-set-the-record-straight-on-these-lovable-dogs/ar-AA1nG7F5
Out of curiosity, I tried looking up info on the attack/fatality rate of pitbulls outside of the USA (assuming Pitbulls are dangerous because the culture of the USA views them as such and this they are raised to be) but couldn't find much.
The only one I found quickly was that they gave a high incidence of attacks in Japan as well, but the owners tend to be Yakuza or other gang members, so yeaaahhh...
I recently watched an older Video by José on the matter. He goes into quite some detail in regards to the gene vs. holder aspect of it.
People calling for the culling of all pit bulls would be hypocritical if they don't also call for the culling of all German Shepherds. It's a difference in attack rate of 21% for pit bulls and 18% for German shepherds so pretty close in "danger" (https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/dog-attack-statistics-breed/)
I doubt they would though as I believe most just have a bias against pitties.
German shepherds shouldn't be bred at all. They have genetic defects that make them suspect to certain illnesses, such as hip defects. Don't buy them. They will suffer and you will have an expensive vet bill.
Same exact thing can be said for golden retrievers and labradors. Honestly, most bred for purpose/ pure bred dogs.
Generations of inbreeding will do that to most mammals.
One of the healthiest dogs you can own is a mutt—ancillary (and anecdotal), but I found my cat in a dumpster as a kitten. She’ll be 10 in April and is still as feisty as when I found her.
It's kinda shocking to see pictures of pre-1980 German Shepards next to modern ones. What the hell happened to their hips?
Humans happened. Show dogs, bred in certain characteristics that we thought made the breed.
There's a great documentary from many years ago on how messed up show dogs are.
Legal measures against pitbulls often are rooted in redline type bills to continue to create laws that punish particular races or ethnicities.
Pit Bulls were and are often used for underground dog fights, and thus became associated with gangs and inner-city crime. That's a ridiculously small portion of pit bull owners, but laws about pit bulls give one more tool for cops to over-police black and hispanic neighborhoods in particular.
I don't really have an opinion on pit bulls, I've owned dogs, wolves and many animals and I do believe different breeds have different personalities and genetic influences, it would be ridiculous to deny it because WE MADE THEM THIS WAY, so yes, pitties and german shepherds and many others can easily be raised wrong and come out dangerous compared to say, golden retrievers or other "gentle" breeds that are going to be a lot more passive even when raised wrong. These are preconditions, they are influences. But the problem is with lack of education about how to raise animals, puppy mills and overbreeding, poor training, and the handful of irresponsible and abusive owners who fuck up everything for the rest of us.
I hate it here.
edit: not sorry at all if reasonable and nuanced facts make you angry for some reason. That's a skill issue. Learn more. Go outside, meet people, make some friends. This is an oddly triggering issue to some people, you need to learn to breath and think. I don't care how sweet your dog is or if you got bit once, if you have deeply emotional opinions on this in either direction, congratulations, you're being manipulated.
I have had pitties for years
Left to their own devices pitties are harmless. In a loving and caring home, they are some of the most supporting docile animals I've ever been around. Even rescue pitties who have had horrible lives usually end up as proper babysitters without any substantial correction.
That said, a 50lb PB can hold on to a rope, be lifted off the ground and swung in circles without even breaking a sweat. Bite strength and passive muscle structure on those dogs are AMAZING. So if someone does make a PB decide they need to eat someone, they're dangerous AF. But you really have to work hard to make them that way.
As someone whos dog got killed by a pitbull and i got injured trying to save her a very pleasant you can suck my big sweaty cock to all pitbull owners. Without a license and training you shouldnt be able to own a dog that is meant for killing. Ever since that every time i see a big dog the first thing i think of is if it attacks me how can i kill that fucker. So yeah i dont give a fuck and even before that happened i supported the ban of those dogs because multiple times ive heard from distant family and friends horror stories about attacks. I know a girl who was 8 when she was attacked and she needed plastic surgery all over her thigh and face after an attack and my sister and mom(whos thankfully a doctor so she could help before the ambulance arrived) were there to witness it. I dont think you wanting to own a big dog is a reason to endager others health and lives. Anyone supporting the right to own one of those killing machines is off the rails. They are literally bread to kill.
I know a woman (60+) who has a lifelong fear of dogs from being attacked and scarred as a child by one of these. Furthermore as a cat enjoyer, I posit that all dogs can kill my little buddies and even though we've coexisted as species for half a million years (didn't look it up) I think it's time for a doggy genocide too, I'm with you! In fact most animals are dangerous, racoons often carry rabies and can kill people becauase of that. And now that I'm thinking about it people kill each other more frequently than any of the above, I think the only responsible thing to do really is to extinguish all life on the planet, that way nothing can be dangerous anymore!
It's not like a small cannister of OC spray is enough to deter even a hungry violent stray or anything, much better to genocide entire species off the face of the earth.
You know that there are breeds specifically bred to kill? Is that natural? You also know that owning a dog is not natural then and then nobody should own them? Also when it comes to animals in nature youre the one who choses where you live. If you dont like em you can move to a city. Thats why i think its stupid when they kill wild animals in their natural habitat to make places safer. But when a person owns a fucking dog meant to kill thats a tad bit different eouldnt you agree? And i didnt say we should kill them, you should need a permit and proper training to own one of them. Well, good luck to you picking berries and hunting animals with spears because thats what we did half a million years ago(didnt look it up).
Its not like properly having your dog on a leash would prevent it from killing another dog and almost biting my hand off.
Lmao.
People anthropomorphize dogs too much. If anyone has seen a working dog do their job as a puppy with 0 training they might reconsider the dogs that were bred to fight.
My dog was also attacked by a pitbull at a dog park. My dog would have died if the pitbull bit just a little bit further in, its jaws were clamped onto my dogs neck skin. It took two full grown men and me gouging its eyes for about 2 minutes before it would release. My dog's transgression to provoke the other dog? Smelling its butt one time.
Mine didnt even go close to it. The other dog wasnt on a leash properly and it escaped and in a mstter of seconds a nice little walk in the park with my mom turned into me(95kg and work out 5 times a week) trying to get the dog off ours. I was soaked in blood that i didnt even know where it came from because my hands and arms were bleeding but my dog was also bleeding because the fucker broke her thigh bone and ripped a bunch of veins. Which dog did they put down? Of course mine because they said the surgery would be risky so its much better for her to just go. Do think me and my mom have no trauma after that? Also we asked the other woman walking the dog to give her number and she gave us a fake one and we never found her even tho we lived in a small town so we can live the really nice bit of knowledge that that disgrace of an animal is still living in this world and can attack another dog or even person any time because the owner could be distracted.
The Venn diagram of people who own pit bulls and people that own lifted trucks that they can’t drive is almost a circle.
I think its a pretty vicious cycle.
- Assholes think big dog is cool.
- Assholes raise asshole dog.
- Dog becomes known as dangerous and even more popular with assholes while people who would make good owners now steer clear.
- Repeat.
Well, she's a bad owner for not taking into account the specific needs of her apex predator; like a lot of physical activity and access to a fresh Weyland-Yutani crew on a regular basis.
I'm an owner of a rescue dog with behavioral problems, and I am fortunate to say that the only person my dog has ever bitten after I adopter her is me. It takes a lot of work and effort, and I am absolutely certain she would bite other people under the right circumstances. Problem is, most dog owners are not like me.
Granted my rescue dog is a small Chihuahua mix, so at worse, she might break skin on your finger or heels and leave a small scar.
Very different circumstances than if she were a big dog.
The white trash potato caricature is hilarious. Pit bulls are a dangerous breed. They were selectively bred by humans for their aggression, unpredictability, jaw strength, overall strength, pain tolerance, etc.
I live in a poor area that is full of these dogs. The issue is exacerbated so much by people with nothing to their name so they need a status symbol to appear tough. It's really sad.
Do you think those people who feel the need to have a certain type of dog to look tough might also treat that dog a certain way to make it aggressive?
I always get confused for a few moments when I see these dog breed/ghetto hatred comments, but then I realize it's just steeped in closeted racism/classism. It's really sad.
edit: should check out @[email protected]'s comment here. Basically has done the work and narrates what someone actually researching and looking at studies would find if you do it correctly.