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Ah, the fickle winds of Western media. One day Zelensky is Churchill in a green hoodie, the next he’s the Mad King of Kyiv.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

One day Zelensky is Churchill in a green hoodie

Guilty of famine and settler-colonialism?

There are countless reports of Ukrainian men being dragged from cafes and nightclubs

Ukraine still has cafes and nightclubs. Yet Blinken would say what's happening there is a genocide but not what's happening in Gaza.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago

One day Zelensky is Churchill in a green hoodie

Guilty of famine and settler-colonialism?

Maybe they meant extremely racist

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

TheHill is not super establishment. Wake me up when NYT publishes these headlines.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

give it a few months, they'll get with the new narrative

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You realize (I hope) that a narrative is a construct of the imagination? LOL, I have to laugh at the knobs in the media that use it as if that means accuracy.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Narratives are our world models, it's how we interpret reality and make sense of it. The problem is that it's easy for these models to diverge from the actual material reality since most of the information we use to create our models doesn't come from direct physical experience. Vast majority of the information is acquired through language, and that's what makes media so powerful. It's a tool that can shape people's understanding of the world.

Western media has been engaging in crafting a narrative favorable to Ukraine for the past three years because the ruling class in the west wanted the war to continue. Now that the US wants to pull the plug on the war, we're seeing a new narrative being formed to facilitate that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

A narrative, by definition is NOT reality. Reasoning is what we use to interpret reality, and some have more of it than others.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That's literally what I just said. A narrative is a world model we construct in our heads based on the information we consume.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 days ago (3 children)

No the narrative used by the government, (which is what we're discussing here) is a story, not necessarily the truth. Nothing we've been told by the Biden government and other western governments is the truth. Nothing! Ukraine lost over a million soldiers. This is a terrible war, far worse than WW1. The reason peace is being discussed is only because if Ukraine doesn't sue for peace, there will not be any Ukraine left. It will be split up between Hungary, Poland and damn forget the other country offhand.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That is what we mean. The narrative is the story told to the masses to accept whatever the (American) government wants to happen.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

Well, not necessarily, what is happening currently too, even if it's false.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Nowhere did I suggest that the government narrative is the truth. In fact, I explicitly pointed out that the government changes the narrative to facilitate the policy it wants to pursue. The reason peace is being discussed is because republicans wants to pivot to Asia. Had democrats won, they would've doubled down on keeping the war going. I very much agree that partitioning of Ukraine after the war is a very likely scenario.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That's not the reason peace is being discussed. Ukraine has lost the war. It's not in the USA's interest to support a losing cause, especially when it's nothing to do with defence of the homeland. It's the old Cold War warriors in Washington who still think Russia is Soviet. Can't wait for those dinosaurs to die off! The world will be safer without them. The US doesn't have a chance against China, and I'm speaking as a soldier with experience in these things. The only reason why China is a so-called enemy is that we can't compete with them economically/commercially, so they must be destroyed. It's sad how we think.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I generally agree with all that, although I'd say that NATO lost their proxy war.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

Romania is the other country. All three have claims on western Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

Yeah the NYT has been so accurate on Ukraine /s

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 days ago