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No the narrative used by the government, (which is what we're discussing here) is a story, not necessarily the truth. Nothing we've been told by the Biden government and other western governments is the truth. Nothing! Ukraine lost over a million soldiers. This is a terrible war, far worse than WW1. The reason peace is being discussed is only because if Ukraine doesn't sue for peace, there will not be any Ukraine left. It will be split up between Hungary, Poland and damn forget the other country offhand.
That is what we mean. The narrative is the story told to the masses to accept whatever the (American) government wants to happen.
Well, not necessarily, what is happening currently too, even if it's false.
Nowhere did I suggest that the government narrative is the truth. In fact, I explicitly pointed out that the government changes the narrative to facilitate the policy it wants to pursue. The reason peace is being discussed is because republicans wants to pivot to Asia. Had democrats won, they would've doubled down on keeping the war going. I very much agree that partitioning of Ukraine after the war is a very likely scenario.
That's not the reason peace is being discussed. Ukraine has lost the war. It's not in the USA's interest to support a losing cause, especially when it's nothing to do with defence of the homeland. It's the old Cold War warriors in Washington who still think Russia is Soviet. Can't wait for those dinosaurs to die off! The world will be safer without them. The US doesn't have a chance against China, and I'm speaking as a soldier with experience in these things. The only reason why China is a so-called enemy is that we can't compete with them economically/commercially, so they must be destroyed. It's sad how we think.
I generally agree with all that, although I'd say that NATO lost their proxy war.
Agreed.
Romania is the other country. All three have claims on western Ukraine.