Fediverse

Companies have spent the last 15 years o so making their best efforts at obscuring the stack,

I fully agree here. Whatever software they have developed, is not rocket science, and mostly based off of existing standards.

Gmail, Outlook, etc... just a bunch of *DAV servers on top of an emailing service, paired with some SSO. Same goes for Reddit/X/FB. A simple DB just storing some info and doing some fancy sorting based on that info.

Perhaps this situation should be regarded as a problem to be solved

Yes!

But, on the other hand it's a two-fold sword.

Corps are making money off of peoples lack of knowledge, and this has been the way of how "offering a service" is being done probably since human history... and yes, it pisses me off as well, especially when it comes to human health and nutrition, etc...

But....

Say, you hire contract workers, to build a house, bc. you don't know how to do it yourself. Then you need to hire someone else to approve the quality of the work that's been done, since again... you lack the knowledge. After you've moved in, something breaks, again... you hire someone to fix it.

Now, at what point do you start learning about all the components involved in a built house? electricity, plumbering, walls, etc... and most importantly, do you even care in learning so or not?

And some people, just don't care. They simply don't. Even if the concept of a topic is very easy to grasp, they simply lack the interest in knowing about how it works.

I've used Voyager before and while it comes close, unless they changed how the app operates, I don't think that app fits the description that I'm asking for.

The entire issue with Lemmy is the Federation aspect of it, while it's a good thing to have it's way too confusing for the everyday person. For example I use eternity, the only layout that remotely looks decent in my opinion. It worked similar to Voyager where when you open it for the first time it brought you to an instance and then when you went to make an account it asked you which instance you wanted to make the account on. That right there is going to turn away a good 30 to 40% of the people looking. I know it almost turned me away.

For the point of responding to this comment I reinstalled Voyager, I'm going to portray my experience from someone who doesn't have experience with the fediverse. If you don't wish to see the narration, you can skip the rest

Okay cool I see a bunch of posts, I expect this lem.ee thing is the program oh fun they have Politics on the front page I thought I was trying to avoid that but okay there are some memes here that are pretty cool, let me try to like one,

oh I need an account yeah that makes sense, neat they have a learn more button(most people likely won't click this btw) okay an entire page explaining that the programs like an email client, how is up voting content like receiving emails 😕(personally think they should have used subscribe/follow for that imo)

Okay cool I think I get it let me just use the default instance, let me just skip past all of this pointless TOS stuff, "please write I accept acknowledging that you've read the rules in the sidebar on the front page." uhh Sidebar? Well I don't know how to get to that so let me try the next instance, lemmy.world sounds good. and that one is a 1 2 3 process(if email verification works)

From here they have a functioning account but the app has failed to tell them the core aspects of what federation is, they've failed to explain what defederation is, they failed to explain what the repercussions of choosing an instance does, it's only explained that Lemmy is like email, and to the everyday user, email is identical across all providers, users very rarely if at all have an email provider actively block an email server because they don't agree with what's going on there. For example in the case of LW by choosing that platform you're actively removing yourself from anything that's against their mentalities such as the piracy community, you're also subjecting yourself to a somewhat heavy moderation style instance and also subjecting yourself to hatred in the community without actually realizing you're doing so. You won't know this tell you get told by a user (and you WILL get told by a user).

This could be avoided by having a integration with fediseer or being able to integrate with the instances Blacklist so you can see what is blocked. Or even just a link to their rules would be amazing.

That's my main annoyance in current mobile apps, they are only decent for established fediversers. Most people would have left second or third message into my experience and just gone back to other platforms

Boost. That was 1 year ago. It now shows the server as well