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Tesla's European sales are plummeting, with Germany seeing a 60% drop despite strong EV growth. Similar declines hit Norway, Sweden, and France.

While some blame the Osborne effect—buyers delaying purchases for a refreshed Model Y—Musk’s endorsement of Germany’s far-right AfD may also be repelling customers.

Online backlash has linked Tesla to fascist imagery. In contrast, UK sales fell only 7.8%, suggesting political factors play a role.

With strong domestic EV competition in Europe, Tesla’s reputation crisis could further hurt demand.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 hours ago

Hopefully, the Tesla nose dive spreads to his other businesses.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

I must say congratulations to Mr. Musk on finally finding that one special picture that will live on in the history books. You wanted to be remembered, and you are well on your way to having the name “Elon” be right up there with “Adolf” when people are choosing names for their children.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 hours ago

Elon Shitler has a nice ring to it. #PresidentElon please use this hashtag in all your sm post. We need to sew divide wherever we can and baby Trump really cares about shit like this. ✊🏻

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

I kind of think this was intentional, because the picture everyone used before this was the dorky one of him jumping at the Trump rally. I'm sure he prefers this one.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago

I wasn’t thinking of it that way, but you are probably right.

I was thinking he can’t have real immortality so he settled on being as memorable as possible. But in his twisted conservative mind, maybe this is him wanting to be remembered as a hardass rather than an [insert slur for gay men].

[–] [email protected] 7 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

The thing is that the far right in Germany is nowhere near as popular as the Republicans in the US. And the intersection of Tesla buyers and far right voters is very small. Musk made a grave mistake in the marketing department here.

Comparable to endorsing Jill Stein in the US as company for small arms.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

when i see someone drive tesla, i feel like i should show my disapproval somehow. But i dont know how to do that in such way the message is understood without making the other one defensive since that would just make the problem worse.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Teslas have a lot of cameras. I'm not sure what kind of power it would need but its likely you can damage the cameras with a laser

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago

people who use teslas definitely deserve some vandalism, but i dont think that would tell them it makes them shitty people. It would more likely just push them even more towards some hateful ideology. They should be made look like rejects they are, not victims. Though maybe if someone was to flip the tesla logo, it looks just like someone on kkk hood, just upside down.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

This definitely fits the bill of ‘make the problem worse’

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

IIRC this fact also had to do with a German government subsidizing EVs that ended late last year, I could be wrong to. Any German that can help clear this up?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago

Iirc, the subsidy was ~7000€. When the subsidy ended, car prices dropped by roughly 5000€. Meaning, there was a gift for the manufacturers and nothing changed. Of course, you can't brag about your 40k car anymore because it's only 35k now. And other smaller effects like the ads are different now.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 15 hours ago

Not sure if it's just the promotion of the far-right parties.

For me at the latest after his "Heil Hitler" salute I'd be completely ashamed driving that car.

Might be interesting to see the exact daily timeline of the sales, if it collapsed after the 20th january.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 16 hours ago

Swatzicar!!!!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago

Great!!😀

[–] [email protected] 10 points 21 hours ago

Fuck around and find out is his new M.O.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Oo I hope this starts a wave of catchy mockery towards everything he touches and everything like him, like:

Go fash, stonks crash.

[–] meowmeowbeanz 45 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Musk’s clown car of leadership finally careens into reality. When your CEO’s political acumen involves cosplaying as a far-right edgelord, even Europe’s EV adopters—historically tolerant of overpriced gadgets—start side-eyeing the brand. Tesla’s not a car company anymore; it’s a vanity project for a man who thinks “free speech” means platforming Nazis.

Meanwhile, European automakers are quietly eating Tesla’s lunch with actual innovation, not just empty hype. Musk’s fanbase? A shrinking cult of tech bros and crypto gamblers. The rest of us? We’ve moved on to cars that don’t come with a side of embarrassing billionaire tantrums.

Democracy’s broken? Sure. But watching Musk torch his own empire? Chef’s kiss.

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[–] [email protected] 151 points 1 day ago (12 children)

weird. i guess some people just arent interested in driving Swasticars

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

Having lived in a couple of countries in Europe, including a decade in Britain, I would say the UK is one of the most Fascist countries in Europe (for example having a citizen surveillance system even more extreme than the US and Press censorship in the form of D-Noticies), though elites there are extremelly good at being subtle and posh about it so the will keep up appearences: you won't see goose stepping on the streets but for example in peaceful demonstrations the police will charge the crowd and News will report that - by showing the footage in the inverse order - as people first charging the police who then responded to it and you won't see an overt Secret Police but once in a while out pops a leak of a special group within the normal police infiltrated Ecologist groups with undercover police officers (which came out because some female Ecologists ended up pregnant) or how their surveillance organisation kept Greenparty leaders under surveillance.

Back during the Nazi times the British elites were even pro-Nazi (there's a picture of Queen Elizabeth as a child being taught by her uncle - then King - to do a Nazi salute) and it was only the Nazi invasion of Belgium that changed their minds, so geopolitics rather than a dislike of the Nazi ideology of ethnic superiority (notice how over the years British elites kept supporting white colonialism and their violence, from Appartheid South Africa to Genocide Israel). More in general, the elites over there (which are overwhelmingly dynastic in nature, and I don't mean just the Royal Family) are strong believers in their own inherent superiority over others as justification for their wealth, so the whole ubermenschen and untermenschen thinking applied along class lines rather than just races (but races too: Brits tend to believe themselves superior to just about all foreigners but Americans and for example some of the most celebrated heroes of Britain - such as Churchill - actually ordered the execution of Genocides in the British Empire possessions).

All this to say that to me, having lived over there for a decade, the British's minimal response to Fascism compared to the rest of Europe isn't surprising - they live in a Society than in many ways runs along similar molds, harbours similar ideations about the inherent worth of people and is (including the Press) controled by elites who mostly are the same families that supported Nazism before Hitler invaded Belgium.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Most of Europe was okayish with the Nazi to be fair. We would evn turn away Jewish refugees before the war. Let's be clear that WW2 didn't happen because of the Genocides but only because of the invasions of other countries. The UK is not special in that regard.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)

My impression from living there is that the UK never ditched the mindset that some people are born inherently superior to others, and that's both for different parts of British society along the axis of class (and in many cases also the different nations of the UK, with the English often seeing themselves as superior) and towards foreigners (Brexit did not happen in a vacuum).

I have the theory that is because the UK never really had a Revolution started from below (the closest they had were the Barons rebeling against the King leading to the Magna Carta or the Catholic-vs-Protestant fighting which was mainly different factions of the elites re-approportioning power) or Occupation by a foreign power that crushed the existing elites and loosened their power over the entire system, hence the established elites never really changed and thus the power structures in Britain, who those structures serve and who controls them, has changed a lot less over the last couple of centuries than elsewhere in Europe.

They're not as much Fascists in a traditional sense but more a continuation of a Monarchic semi-Autocratic system were the power of the King was weakenned centuries ago and divided amongst the rest of the Landowner Class and later the Trading Burgeoisie without really reaching the lower classes in full (the closest to it ever happenning was post-War Britain and that has been reverted in the last 4 decades).

Fascism in Europe one of the reactions to Republicanism, but the UK never had a Republican phase and so a lot of the ideas on power and the worth of people in Fascism which are really just re-hashed monarchic thinking on who are the proper rulers and justifying it are still present in the British system in their natural (though more sophisticated in means and appearence) form.

All this to say that, yeah, I agree with you, it's just that I don't think their love for the Nazi ideology back then was quite driven by the same reasons as many other countries in Europe (though remember how even in Germany the Nazis had some support from the Monarchics) and that whilst elsewhere in Europe the elites that held such thinking were dethroned, in Britain they held on to power to the present day.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 day ago (10 children)

You couldn’t pay me to drive one

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 day ago (13 children)

It is fascinating how little this correlates to the Tesla stock price. It has dropped a bit, down 8.4% in the last month, but it still up 80.8% over the last 6 months. I´m curious what kind of business model the shareholders is expecting from Tesla that does not involve selling cars.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 16 hours ago

I imagine that the federal government will be buying Teslas by the shipload

The army will be replacing humvees with cybertrucks.

Tesla will announce a CyberTank to replace the M1

i'm only sort of joking

[–] Grandwolf319 32 points 1 day ago

Judging on the fact that it jumped up after election day, investors are expecting corporate nepotism to boost profits.

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