So I should push for more usage of my free FOSS decentralised sharing protocol?
this post was submitted on 08 Feb 2025
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classic case of RAS syndrome
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Capital supremacy vs labour supremacy is a false dichotomy.
Certainly maximizing capital returns involves structural slavery/desperation that disadvantages labour pool. But capital/property whether private or communal should have an ROI that justifies using the capital. Capital/oligarch supremacy also involves corrupting markets against any possibility of disrupting their extortion profits.
Labour supremacy might want to dispossess property owners for worker profit. Might want to just guarantee 9-5 employment for 45 years, without any concern for productivity or usefulness of their output, with ideally revenue sharing regardless of profit levels.
Humanist economics has main principle of abundance. Perfect, or at least as fair as possible, competition is path to abundance. Both oligarchy and labour protectionism of their supremacy, inherent right to keep doing same job forever or obtain ROI on doing the same thing forever, and influence on the State to ensure their protections and subsidies, promote scarcity, and higher profit per unit of output, no matter how it is split between capital and labour.
Abundance means more labour and probably more capital (also spent on workers) to produce more stuff. More total spent on labour is arguably more pro labour than higher pay per employee. More money available to buy more stuff promoting more abundance in other industries.
Actual wealth is measured in goods consumption, where more goods is more wealth. Everything else is just transfer/holding of money. General population welfare should be prioritized over the dichotomy of capital vs labour supremacy, because that is the genuine welfare of nation.
UBI is the obvious path/solution to escaping the dichotomy. The power to say no to work, automatically makes labour market fair. Market disruption that threatens your job has a weaker case of your desperation forcing you to agitate for your protections. The more you are "desperate/entused for work", the easier it is for your to adjust to the abundance of jobs that you do not have to compete with desperate people seeking them. Warmongering nationalist protections of jobs is not needed if it means cheaper stuff, and more UBI from diverting warmongering spending and destruction to more cash to citizens. So, UBI redistributes power from State, and their solicitations of discretionary supremacism, to the people. It still makes capital and labour much richer overall, but eliminates their vectors for corruption. It is impossible to consider human sustainability, if war and immediate survival are priorities in their/your mind.
UBI is also empowerment to use your time (and steady income as a source of capital) to disrupt and improve society and yourself.
DAE workers are brain dead selfish zombies with zero social connection outside of work and no concept of debt to society?
What a bleak view of humanity
UBI will never happen. Stop expecting it to happen.
UBI is something that is rational for 90%-99% of the population, where 1% can only be happy with a power structure that guarantees oppression, but those middle managers/classes in the hierarchy have a rational case for preferring UBI to GOP/Trump, even if they would like to expand their "middle manager bureaucracy in the $50B range. Left has to stop promissing big payouts to a tiny percentage of people. In the case of Biden's repeated failure on student loans (fine, blamable on GOP/courts), it involved rewarding a class that generally has happy outcomes.
From perspective that election funding is so high that it needs to be bought, and neocon warmonger that is less worse than Trump, is the only criteria we've considered so far/recently, that promises of progressive results get blocked, UBI is a far easier "tax code reform" than promssing benefits outside of the tax code. But, I understand that neocon warmongering priority raises more money. The DNC, being a zionist first result oriented organization, furthermore understands that UBI can restrict enthusiasm for Israel, and furthermore, any DNC candidate that can help block progressive reform is a better candidate for DNC than "a radical" winning.
US, is by far the most corrupt country in the world, and has a political lock on oligarchy. A UBI platform has to focus on exterminating that corruption. DNC may not be a relevant ally. UBI has to be the only relevant platform to any political candidate in order to be the only legislative priority.
It's not going to happen no matter how rational it is. Capital won't allow it the system would collapse. Forget about it. It's a fantasy
Capital won’t allow it the system would collapse.
nation would thrive. System doesn't have to undergo radical changes, just defunding of its discretion. System devoted to war is undermined, but system itself isn't?
If you mean, system's only perference/need is corruption, then ok. But why would you vote for that if there is an alternative?
Democracy is a genuine vector for non corrupt government. It needs to be based on UBI to not be a vector to empower "usual corruption", or election winners.
Sorry but you don't understand Capitalism
I've read Adam Smith, and I understand capitalism = supremacy of capital modern meaning. The fact that zionist warmonger first rule happens in US, doesn't mean it is impossible to run a low funded campaign where zionists are dispossessed of all wealth and citizenship. Or those contributing to campaigns for those who pledge loyalty to Israel. Democracy is a means for change, so long as you disregard media.
Adam Smith isn't nearly enough. Read Marx. Read Kropotkin .
You can't achieve ubi. Ever. Think about this for just 2 seconds. There's no pathway to it. You can't vote this shit in.
Capital might allow UBI below subsistence, and this very well could happen to stave off crisis. It just can't be high enough that people aren't incentivized to sell their labor power (be a wage-slave). This is arguably what minimum wage and tax credits already are.
That's not ubi then. That's just food vouchers
"... in a world where ..."
I respect that precision of language.
Human greed is a big problem. I vividly remember, in socialism and communism, lots of people redirected produce to each other, leading to bribes and scarcity, which encouraged more and more people to do the same. Harsh punishments had little effect. Humans are just trash.
humans are the most co-operative and empathetic species on the face of the earth. What ruined those systems were hierarchies of power.
Empathetic, sure. I think bees, ants, and termites may have us beat on the cooperation aspect. Our monkey groups top out at around 150-200 individuals. Their hives are tens if not hundreds of thousands of individuals working together.
Hoo boy, that’s a strong claim. I’d like to believe it but I have a hard time believing that, for example, ants aren’t better at cooperation.
Maybe at cooperation, but humans can empathize with inanimate objects!
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Humans have the capacity to be that, but all you have to do is look at the entirety of human history to know that we're not really like that. It's a nice lie that we tell ourselves.
Hierarchies of power are an integral part of human nature and always have been. Any society that centers around empathy and cooperation will eventually be corrupted by those who only seek personal gain, and the masses will follow them.
One thing people forget is that right now is one of the most peaceful times in human history, and it's still a shit show of war and misery with large sections of the population actively working on making things worse
The duality of man is our species's Great Filter.
, but all you have to do is look at the entirety of human history to know that we're not really like that.
Written history is not the whole of human history. We have plenty of evidence that absent hierarchies, humans do cooperate naturally. All we need to do is get rid of capitalism and the state.
Hierarchies of power are an integral part of human nature and always have been.
Absolutely not. One just has to look at pre-farming societies to see the lie in that.
You're talking about tens thousand plus of years ago and people we only have fragmets of information about, right?
Humans definitely aren't the only animals who have power hierarchies, so it's silly to assume they just spontaneously came into being when we invented writing.
Humans are greedy selfish animals, and the ones who are truly altruistic are outliers. You seem to forget that humans are the source of all of the pain and suffering that capitalism and such cause.
Our closest genetic neighbours, the bonobos, have no hierarchies and handle everything through sex.
Human are inherently altruistic and cooperative , you can plainly see this every time disaster strikes
Our behavior is closer to chimpanzees than bonobos.
Our behaviors are closer to bonobos than chimpanzees
Lol, no. Bonobos are peaceful.
Humans have the capacity to be that, but all you have to do is look at the entirety of human history to know that we’re not really like that. It’s a nice lie that we tell ourselves. Hierarchies of power are an integral part of human nature and always have been. Any society that centers around empathy and cooperation will eventually be corrupted by those who only seek personal gain, and the masses will follow them.
Extrapolating out "human nature" from past human behavior is a form of surface level inductive reasoning that does not hold up to scrutiny. Inductive reasoning is flawed, "humans are naturally hierarchical" isn't an argument. It's possible to use material analysis to determine the source of hierarchy and as humans we have the ability to change our material conditions. Also ignoring anarchist projects that succeeded in horizontalism, maybe not in militarism though.