By the way: People have started questioning the numbers. Seems it's not super clear whether Deepseek told the truth. And IMO the implications aren't that clear either. If you can do the final training run of a singular model for $5 million... It still might require your parent company to build a datacenter for $1.6 billions and then rent the GPUs to you for $2 an hour. So it's not like Europe can cough up a few millions and compete with OpenAI.

(German article here. But all of this is more speculation than anything else. At least as of now: https://www.heise.de/news/DeepSeek-V3-Entwicklung-soll-viel-teurer-gewesen-sein-10267750.html )

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

but eu has ai factories now 😃

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_24_6302

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Are those proposals, or are they being built, or running already?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I think they need to be built still tbh

but i don't think this will be a fix, there are more structural issues in the EU

EU is behind on chip making, software, space race, EV's, AI, etcetc

They will continue to be behind China and America so long as it's more difficult to do business and more difficult to raise money

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Agreed. And I'd argue all of this needs to be addressed in the short term. I live in Germany and we massively rely on other countries. Not only because our economy exports a lot of goods and we want other people to buy them... But also because we used to rely on cheap Russian natural gas. We've moved manufacturing and production into countries like China where labor is cheap. We get our big-tech, every day social media platforms and a lot of culture from the USA...

All of that was a good choice to get nice, cheap things. But it's not sustainable any more. I think we have to ramp up research, manufacturing and a few other things fast. It hurts me, because I think humanity should all pull in the same direction. But I think it's time to face reality, grow up and become able to sustain ourselves. If things escalate, our economy needs to be able to handle that. And Europe also needs to closely work together politically, so it's 750 million people standing united and strong. I don't see any other entity advocating for sharing and working together... Either we start to be responsible for our ideals and technology, or we'd need to do away with them.

I just hope we'll do that. And find a sane approach. We can't also become imperialists ourselves. I think we need to be better than that.