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First of all, thank you @[email protected] for pursuing Sync for Lemmy. It’s honestly given me so much hope for Fediverse adoption to actually happen. I do have one thought to share with you to help with success:

Come July 1st pretty much all Sync users are going to open the app due to muscle memory or due to a lack of awareness of what’s happening.

If they see “this app doesn’t work any more” or similar, they are simply going to delete the app and will likely go to the official Reddit app. The opportunity to engage them will be gone.

However, you can use it as a huge marketing opportunity if on that day it says something to the effect of:

  • Sync for Reddit doesn’t work any more due to the API changes…
  • However Sync for Lemmy is in development
  • Here’s how you try Lemmy (and/or kbin) in the mean time…
  • Keep Sync for Reddit on your phone to receive a notification when Sync for Lemmy is launched

Even if they don’t try Lemmy right away, if they get a notification from the old app saying the new one is ready they will possibly try it at that time (but you need to convince them to keep the old app on their phone)

But the clock is ticking - after July 1st the chance of engaging someone in this way is very low as they’ll likely uninstall the old app. IMO getting this teed up is of a higher priority than developing the minimal-viable-product for the new app.

You likely already have this in the works, but wanted to throw it out there incase you hadn't planned on it already. Thanks again for doing this - I am so hopeful and excited for a viable alternative to Reddit and Sync could be such a huge piece in making it possible!

Originally posted to /r/syncforlemmy but figured I should put my money where my mouth is and post here as well. After all, this is the future!

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

You'll be surprised by how many redditors you can convince to join lemmy by just mentioning Sync.

It's very effective. Understandably so; I've always browsed Reddit with Sync and it's probably the single best app I've ever used.

Here's a quick summary of Lemmy/kbin that mentions Sync and Artemis I find to be very effective to copy/paste to threads with confused redditors. I suggest others to do the same.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Upcoming Sync is why I'm here on lem in the first place....just had my 15th cakeday on reddit real bummer to see it go the same way digg did...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Remember it's just an account on some website and the person behind it is what actually bought it to life.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah, that's what I keep telling myself.

I was actually surprised by how much karma I had accrued when I deleted my account the other day, given that the majority of my comments were deep down in threads or niche communities. Often, I was happier to have 10 upvotes than 500, because the comments that got hundreds (or thousands) of points were generally short and quippy. I much preferred the sincere, expansive discussions though, and that was apparent when scrolling through my history.

Edit (Forgot to finish my point): And that kind of stuff is available in oodles on Lemmy. Hell, if anything, it's easier here, because I feel like it's way more likely anything I write will be seen and responded to. Maybe in a few years, we'll be nostalgic for these times.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I had never heard of Sync, but with the way people are talking about it and it's features, I think it could replace Bacon Reader for me (RIP) and this is coming from someone who uses reddit a moderate amount for niche subreddits, but isn't going to stand for this anti capitalist BS that Spez is pulling, so how I'm here. It wasn't hard, but I appreciate the fact not everyone is as plugged in or aware of social causes such as this or more importantly thst not everyone has the free time to put in a minimal amount of research to figure out how to move to an alternative.

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[–] imaqtpie 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

For sure, we are still chronically starved of users. Need to play our cards right in the next few months.

In addition to OP's idea, all of us who still have our reddit accounts should be going over there and letting people know about Lemmy in a helpful way, like ASAP. It's really easy now because all the threads are about reddit sucking and how there is no alternative. But in a few weeks when reddit forgets, it's going to be viewed more as spam to constantly keep bringing up Lemmy on reddit.

If we can make people aware of Lemmy before the app shutdown, it's much more likely that they decide to actually try Sync for Lemmy.

[–] sneakyninjapants 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

all of us who still have our reddit accounts should be going over there and letting people know about Lemmy in a helpful way

Oh I've been trying to, hopefully got a few converts so far. Trying to tiptoe the line between informative and pushy since "horses water and drinking bla bla"

[–] imaqtpie 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, good point. I just to go super enthusiastic and positive with it usually. The main problem is I don't feel like I'm getting enough eyes on my comments. The migration/alternative subreddits are weirdly quiet.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

Best way is just to express excitement that development of reddit app for Android is continuing on a different platform, since many people in /r/Android use third party apps probably due to the demographic that even bothers to subscribe to /r/Android to begin with. All other subs might be more casual users who use stuff like reddit redesigned and don't use adblockers, so this whole confusing cumbersome process is not something they care about. They just go API? What? Third party apps? Uh I don't use that I don't care. Ads? I'm used to it.

Apple is one that has nothing really that feels organic. There's no like hey Apollo for Lemmy is coming out. And Apollo is kind of the only app that Apple users even care about compared to Android where there's so many loved Reddit third party apps. Apple users are very used to subscriptions being sold on Apps too, so having to pay to remove ads and using official apps isn't as big of a concern.

Plus, I don't know that it even really matters going over to reddit to try to mention anything until the app comes out and it turns out to streamline the whole process of signing up and subscribing to different communities outside your instance as opposed to doing the weird [email protected] entry then wait for it to show up.

State of lemmy right now is something that people who weren't deterred by the research they had to do ended up using. Apps have an opportunity to make it so none of that is necessary, but until then there is no selling point. People who wanted to move have moved, and those that didn't stayed. Ones who are upset are shitposting, but I doubt they actually want to leave reddit since shitposting is also a sign they still want to stay on Reddit and wishing Reddit would roll back changes.

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[–] sneakyninjapants 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I just to go super enthusiastic and positive with it usually

Honestly the best way to pitch it IMO. It's been such a great experience here I almost feel compelled to proselytize the glory of the fediverse, but if I can't keep it in my pants a bit I'm certain to put people off the message.

The migration/alternative subreddits are weirdly quiet

I've noticed that too the few times I've checked. I wonder how many people there are still regularly tying to do outreach. I've had some luck on the selfhosted sub, of course you'd expect that lot would be more eager to jump on a self-hostable platform anyway. Piracy subs too for obvious reasons lol

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, piracy has so much activity for obvious reasons. And they constantly get kicked out and stuff and piracy is an area that does require lot of self learning to do safely, so probably the most undeterred.

But, I follow lot of games, tech, and pc related stuff mainly and pretty much only sub that bothered to actually do anything was /r/privacyguides. Which is the instance I am on. So when these tech/pc/game subs you think would more embrace new tech aren't making any efforts to leave I think it's a sign most people including the mods don't actually care about leaving. They actually care way less than most non tech related subs.

[–] sneakyninjapants 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, piracy has so much activity for obvious reasons. And they constantly get kicked out and stuff and piracy is an area that does require lot of self learning to do safely, so probably the most undeterred.

Very true, their adaptability to ever changing conditions makes them a great demographic for early adoption.

only sub that bothered to actually do anything was /r/privacyguides ...

I think people interested in guarding their privacy are another great demographic for switching platforms too as they've already been primed for the discomfort of dropping the easy option such as a service that mines every interaction for advertising data for something that may be slightly less intuitive to use, but keeps their privacy much more intact.

It's an unfortunate situation, but most people are pretty lazy (myself included) and aren't really interested in exploring options outside their comfort zone, and that's fine I suppose. I feel like most people just consume reddit content and aren't really interested in the community aspect of it, and completely uninterested in contributing to it, so if it's still giving them the ability to mindlessly scroll and consume than that's good enough for them. Once that starts to disappear, maybe they'll become more receptive to switching platforms, but no way of telling at this point.

[–] imaqtpie 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah the Piracy community seems like it could become an anchor on this platform, which I would love.

Pirates are generally aligned against capitalism and corporatism, but they are not all in the same boat, politically speaking.

Such a diverse yet similar group could prove very helpful in charting a middle course amongst some of the more opinionated instances.

Arggh!

[–] sneakyninjapants 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah the Piracy community seems like it could become an anchor on this platform, which I would love.

Oh yeah, I think this will be a great platform for the Piracy minded amongst us. Not beholden to a central authority, censorship resistant, no legal liability encompassing the network of discrete nodes. Lots of upsides.

Such a diverse yet similar group could prove very helpful in charting a middle course

I hope this will be the case as well. Those that want to Pirate aren't going to be sticking around long on instances whose owners are defederating the pirate horde I think.

[–] imaqtpie 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Word. Glad you're part of my instance and looking forward to watching how this develops together.

But you didn't laugh at my pirate puns 😭

an anchor

in the same boat

charting a course

Arggh!

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've noticed myself and others getting downvoted for mentioning lemmy. Other posts mentioning discord or whatever just get ignored.

I don't think it helps to go looking for arguments though. Some people will stay on Reddit. Some will leave. Que sera, sera.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

I think grabbing more users right now is of utmost importance. If the fediverse needs to grow, now is the chance.

Mastodon had a big spike when Twitter went awol. And nows the chance for lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Funny thing is that I don't see this popup in sync.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It only happens when you access a reddit link from mobile without a default app to open reddit. They are trying to force the shite app on everyone, which is amusing b/c all it does is make me give LJ more energy

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It should just ask if you want to continue in [browser], but I think reddit flagged any posts about apps to have this popup/last ditch attempt.

PSA: get past it by clicking "desktop view".

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

absolutely agree, get them here and make this community even more vibrant

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Imagine if it just seamlessly continued working after a short account signup and translated your Reddit subs to various Lemmy ones where it could.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

That'd be magical, but isn't easily feasible.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Since we're only talking about a week timeline here, would it be possible to update the sync app with a list of popular Lemmy instances and a way to view your favorite one from a web view within the app? That way people could still use sync in the meantime while native features gradually get rolled out.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

referencing users on Lemmy is not at all the same as reddit, since there are multiple instances.

there's no automagic function for it (at least not on the web there isn't - that's probably why you couldn't find one), you just have to do it by hand.

ie. [@[email protected]](http://lemmy.world/u/foreverwinter) becomes: @[email protected]

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Awesome. Thanks for the tip @[email protected] !

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think it's a bad idea to say that Sync for Reddit is shutting down, if you would like to follow new projects by LJ, please click here for Patreon or here for Lemmy or something along those lines.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

This is a great idea, smart recommendation

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I think it would actually be pretty cool if somehow you could link configured subreddits that people have saved or subscribed to into a search for Lemmy communities.

Obviously we want to minimize time that distracts you from the Lemmy version, but I do think it would help people pivot into Lemmy communities away from their favorite subreddits.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

This is brilliant idea

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

+1 this is a super good idea - [email protected]

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Could be a good idea for RiF and Apollo as well, even if they don't plan to build apps for the Fediverse.

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