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[email protected] mod enforces own opinion by modding opposing opinion as "misinformation" (lemmy.world)

submitted 3 days ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Context: https://lemmy.world/comment/14613536 Screenshotted context just in case:

A user claims that the killing in Palestine stopped under Biden now. I point out that biden had full-throatedly supported the genocide for over a year. A mod deletes my post and says that biden didn't "state" (keyword here) full-throated support for genocide.

I counter by saying I consider sending billions in support of genocide counts as full-throated support for genocide. I also point out that I didn't say Biden stated his support for genocide and that he didn't need to outright state it because actions speak louder than words.

I receive a temp ban for that counter and the mod adds a response where they claim the weapons were "provided for defense from Iran, full stop." which sounds to me like actual misinformation because how the hell does bombing hospitals in Gaza defend Israel from Iran? I'm not bothered by their stupid opinion, but I am bothered that they are enforcing it through moderation.

I ran into a similar moderation problem on the Political Memes community also on .world, but I didn't bother making a post here for that because that's just a dumb meme community and I was better off just blocking it, but now this is concerning a world news community and it's awful to see something like this happening in a community that's supposed to keep people aware of the news.

But hey, maybe I'm wrong and it actually is misinformation to say it's full-throated support of genocide to send billions in weapons to a country using those weapons to commit genocide. Please let me know what you think!

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

PTB. Jordanlund is a Zionist, he and FlyingSquid have a long history of banning anyone who criticizes Israel. For those new here, he’s also very critical of BLM because they once “inconvenienced” him on the way to work by holding a protest.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Jesus fucking Christ can mods just not get into arguments? You’re a mod. Shut the fuck up and don’t cause more drama.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

how the hell does bombing hospitals in Gaza defend Israel

Thats not the purpose of the US sending aid to Israel. Can you prove the exact weapons used were provided by the US? Bombing hospitals does sound like something you should never do, but I think Israel would say certain ones were used as Hamas command centers.

I counter by saying I consider sending billions in support of genocide counts as full-throated support for genocide.

(1) War is not genocide. Genocide is genocide. Although It true that the Israeli PM seems to have dragged out the conflict way too long. Should have taken a few months tops to take over the entire region and establish safe zones.

(2) The US sending aid is not "full throated support for genocide". You can say that, but no normal person thinks that and most are silently rolling their eyes. Biden in fact did send at least one ultimatum to Israel threatening to cut off aid if they continued doing X.

But hey, maybe I’m wrong and it actually is misinformation to say it’s full-throated support of genocide to send billions in weapons to a country using those weapons to commit genocide. Please let me know what you think!

It's borderline. The exact point where hyperbole rises to the level of outright misinformation is a grey area. You don't know whether any specific weapons sent were used in the war at all, let alone used in any alleged intentional killings. And even isolated intentional killings would not be "genocide", they would be war crimes. Israel has a terrible PM right now but I don't think the Israeli leaders would be stupid enough to have some secret goal of exterminating all Gazans. Most US military aid is things like anti-missile defense.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Israel would claim that hospitals were being used as Hamas command centers because that's the excuse they always use for their war crimes including the intentional killing of innocent people. The death toll in Gaza is about 50,000 and that's likely under-counting it. How many of those people do you think are combatants? If you want to be charitable, at best Israel are grossly negligent preventing civilian deaths, but the evidence shows they're intentionally targeting civilians and critical infrastructure that makes life possible in Gaza, hence the ruling by the ICC.

You call what the US sends to Israel "aid" and try to paint it as defensive, but there is nothing defensive about 2,000-pound bombs, especially when the targets are in such a densely-populated area like in Gaza. The goal to ethnically cleanse Gaza (and the rest of Palestine) is no secret. It's been the mission of Israel since their establishment and all you have to do is look at the map of Israel and Palestine to see one clearly eating up the other. Given the monstrous actions by Israel, it is an unconscionable act to provide support to such a regime. Supporting a regime carrying out genocide means support for genocide, especially when that support consists of such powerful weaponry with no defensive purpose.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

PTB especially considering jordanlund continued that thread to have the same argument with someone else with basically identical views as you. if it’s really misinformation all of that should be removed, but clearly it’s just satisfying to get a one up over one user.

i have said this before: [email protected] isn’t a news community; it’s a sandbox for that mod team to fuck around in.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It would really be nice to see [email protected] and [email protected] consolidate to offer an alternative, but the discussion never concluded: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/19642782

Ping @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected]

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (5 children)

[email protected] explicitly doesn't moderate based on personal opinions as long as they are within community and instance rules.

I can say that the comments in the body post screenshot wouldn't have been removed on [email protected]. You can check our modlog for how we operate https://m.lemmy.zip/modlog?community=14086

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Likewise we operate on different ethos. Removing content for “calls to violence” isn’t something I can ethically condone. Violence is how nearly every civil liberty and human right has been won from the state.

I prefer minimal moderation based on the spirit of the rules rather than rules lawyering where clever people try to abuse them because “it doesn’t technically say X” to get around being arseholes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

We are pretty much in sync. The major difference being calls to violence. Ignoring how I personally feel, it's illegal under UK law where instance is hosted. So the terms of service explicitly forbid it. Though instance admin haven't ruled out moving to other jurisdiction, especially since the latest adult content law being passed there.

Threats of violence or harm: Any threats or incitement of violence against individuals or groups, including threats of terrorism or personal harm.

https://legal.lemmy.zip/posts/terms_of_service/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

So, is there any chance to consolidate [email protected] and [email protected], or not?

From an outside perspective it just seems strange to have two apparently compatible communities competing with each other at similar levels of monthly activity (4.3k vs 4k) while they could be merged into one more active community

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I wouldn't be opposed if they wanted to, but I couldn't see myself moving to .zip if the instance bans such speech.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

From the comment above

I can say that the comments in the body post screenshot wouldn’t have been removed on [email protected].

I had a quick look at the modlog, seems okay? https://lemmy.zip/modlog/14086

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Seems aligned with the general tendency of LW mods to deny any implications of the USA as weapons providers for Israel

https://feddit.org/post/2791051?scrollToComments=true

No opinion on my side, I'm not American, but curious what others have to say.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago

When this blows back and US citizens die, and somebody says:

Why would anybody do this to us?!

Y'all know why. Actions have consequences and i hope that support Israelis doing a genocide was worth it.

But god forbid somebody memes Luigi, that's promoting violence 🤡

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago

1000% and it got me banned from world

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I'm shocked I'm not banned from .world for giving citations of the horrid actions of the people they idolize.

"Reality has a liberal bias" is a funny joke from Colbert, and when you give them reality and facts with places they themselves agree are "neutral, unbiased, reputable", suddenly they never liked them. Reality has a bias of "Maybe doing horrible things is bad no matter who does them."

They will change their tune when Trump does murder in Gaza. Suddenly they always supported Palestine, they always donated to the cause, never once did they ever defend Israel.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago

Censorship of opinion. I can't tell if the issue the accusation that US being genocide enabler or just generic "anti Israel" sentiment. The lines are kinda blurred.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago (6 children)

PTB

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Probably the last thing that needs to be fixed with L.W news communities: Misinformation being modded.

The rule is abused (as seen in this post) and serves to promote echo chambers. If something is misinformation then downvote and say why. The person might learn something or, more importantly, others in the community who don't know will learn.

And for those who cite that 'law' stating it takes more energy to correct than spew BS. Not a law, would be banned as misinformation ironically, and, regardless, is the price public forums of communication pay.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

Exactly, the whole point of public forums is to have these discussions. Instead some have decided to go on a crusade against "misinformation" but what counts as misinformation? According to that mod, sending billions to a country committing genocide is not support for genocide because they claim it's actually for "defense"??? It doesn't make sense but I can't expand on the discussion and gain understanding of their viewpoint because I was shut down immediately.

What if I consider that mod's opinion misinformation, where's my recourse? Will I need to enlist the help of a different mod who agrees with me? If the only criterion to be considered misinformation is whether a mod agrees or disagrees then they might as well shut down the comments section and simply tell us what we should be thinking since anything straying from that is going to be considered misinformation anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Do you just like using "full-throated"? Lol. That has a completely different meaning for me

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

I like using the word in this case because it accurately describes the level of support biden has for israel. Coincidentally, he tops the list of recipients of donations from aipac: https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind=Q05&recipdetail=S

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