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I’ve had several conversations/arguments recently with my brother making clear my system of values and my hatred for the wealthy. He is nearly diametrically opposed on all accounts and often makes light of their actions. He goes so far as to say that poor people and people in need of social services should have to figure things out for themselves. He often defends Elon Musk and champions him for being self made.

He is getting married in a foreign country soon and I have been able to put aside our differences and have been planning on going

…up until yesterday that is. I asked him of his thoughts on Musk’s seig heil maneuver and he sent a right wing meme of democratic leaders caught mid wave, saying that “they did it first”. He continued to be avoidant and didn’t respond to me calling it a strawman.

In this moment it feels necessary to cancel my plans to send a message that this is not ok. Am I the (or an) asshole for not going to his wedding because of this?

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[–] xmunk 8 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

I think you're well aware that small political differences shouldn't get in the way of family and have worked to be tolerant in the past.

You're not an asshole. You're an adult. You shouldn't do this lightly but if you've given this serious consideration you should follow your heart.

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[–] jbrains 6 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Your last paragraph contains the clue. What message do you genuinely believe your brother will understand from you refusing to attend his wedding? Will it do any good? Does it seem likely to change anyone's behavior?

If yes, then don't go. If no, then put that thought aside and reconsider whether you actually want to go, then decide based on that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago

Either way some people will think you're an asshole.

In a vacuum, yeah obviously he's being a piece of shit. I'm honestly not really sure what his point is in saying Democrats did it first? So... it's ok because they did it first? Or it's bad, but we're only saying something because the other team did it ("it's [d]ifferent")?

Frankly, your brother might just be a fucking idiot that believes whatever is put in front of him. That sucks, especially when you have to hear his regurgitated Nazi apologia, but it's fuzzier whether that means you shouldn't go to his wedding.

I mean, it's also possible that he's actively malignant, but his response indicates to me a lack of critical thinking.

And if you want to skip your brother's wedding because he's an idiot, then that's ok! You get to set your own rules and boundaries based on your values and what you are willing to tolerate.

Personally, I'd probably go. Sure, he has shitty beliefs, but if that's only because they were spoon fed in meme format to him, is that his fault? Or is that the fault of whatever algorithm he's subjected to (which is likely under pro-billionaire influence)?

Either way, I'd recommend spending some time thinking about it before you decide.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

He is getting married in a foreign country soon

Where is he getting married? Plan a nice holiday in this country and take half a day to attend the wedding just for showing your face. Stand at the back of the room, make sure enough people see you to say you were there, then slowly back away and continue with your nice holiday of the country.

Or save your money and get absolutely loaded on blackjack and hookers back home.

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[–] [email protected] -4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (2 children)

In theory, it would be much better to keep debating calmly without personal attacks. Giving up on friends and relatives will keep polarizing society and lead to a civil war in the end. I know this is difficult, when there is no common ground, and neither facts not science exist anymore.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (5 children)

the current pantomime is clearly designed to divide us and it's working quite well.

you wouldn't be an arsehole, but divide and conquer is exactly what they want

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 8 hours ago (9 children)

Personally I think you’re pushing one hot button waiting for it to blow. I’m sure my father voted for trump. Should I not see him because of it? Or half of America? Wanting your brother to agree with you by punishing him just makes you look childish.

That said, I don’t know the rest of the dynamic. Others might say it’s worth it but honestly you all are just fighting over minor values. Do you expect all family to have exactly your values? Are you a liberal? Because this honestly seems like a lib more than a leftist move. Playing intellectually superior while trying to emotionally hurting the other.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

This is my read too. Cut someone out of your life for their shitty actions, not their shitty opinions.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

I expected to be attacked. Thanks for letting me know my read was reasonable :)

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