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Unnecessary and deeply concerning bow to the new "king"

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Very disappointing that this is the CEO and founder of Proton. I'll be moving my stuff elsewhere and deleting my account this week.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 hours ago

Just canceled my subscription.

[–] akilou 34 points 4 hours ago

Sure, yeah, anti-big tech.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 hours ago (7 children)

Ffs. I just switched a ton of stuff over to proton. Hopefully this is an individuals view and not that of the company as a whole.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 hours ago

Yeah ..... One leads straight to the other.....

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

Me too... Fack...

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago

Did he (the CEO) really need to do this? Orange 🍄 Guy's probably never even heard of Proton. The transition for me from Tuta to Proton was long and rough, so I'm not prepared to jump ship just yet and really hope I won't have to.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (5 children)

Biden's pick Lina Khan deserves all the credit for aggressively prosecuting anti-competitive practices. However, Gina Slater looks like someone capable of continuing that work and a legitimate admirer of Lina Khan. Yes there are ties to Vance and the FTC office is likely to end up beholden to the egomaniac in chief. So the whole "little man" thing aside (that's baloney), that's one person that's not a shit stain out of all the shit stains in the incoming cabinet.

Look Lemmy, you're welcome to choose what you want in your life and what you don't. But being too rigid with letting stupid opinions of a project's founder cause you to reject everything, would have you miss the big-picture benefits of having such a project exist. If you look at this Lemmy development co-leader's opinions on transgenderism, are you going to stop using this software that lets you converse on an LGBTQ+ safe-space instance with no involvement on a social level from said developer/founder?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago

Vance, the U.S. vice president-elect, has said antitrust officials should take a broader approach to antitrust enforcement, and praised the work of Federal Trade Commission Chair Lina Khan

Reading this confuses me greatly because republicans, especially Jim Jordan from what I remember, have been harassing and preventing Lina Khan and the FTC from taking action against big corporations.

Hell of she is doing such a great job, why fire her and replace her with a snake whose views are the antitheses of Khan's outlook.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago

No, it's not only one person in the board. They confirmed their stance via their official Mastodon account. https://lemmy.ca/comment/13913116

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

The lemmy devs may have opinions, but they've never interfered with blahaj zone or anything

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Precisely. And this is much in the same way coming from the CEO and Proton official accounts. Republicans use Proton, just as much as Democrats. Until I see evidence that Andy Yen's misguided philosophy leaks into Proton's offering itself (and not just their PR channels), I'm willing to give benefit of doubt. Part of it seems to be not wanting to get on the wrong side of their leaders. As a reminder, these are the leaders that have been given a blank cheque from both voters and the justice system to do whatever they please with dissidents.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

A CEO or any kind of leader gets to determine the path that their organization takes. Slater may seem good now; but we won't know until the proof shows up in the pudding, so you can only try to guess based on whom she take orders from. (Fwiw: I hope you're right)

Bourgeoisie liberals do indeed use the transgendered in the same way that they used gays back in the 1990's, as little more than a virtue signal and now (just like back then) they retreat from that virtue signal when it no longer suites their purposes.

Unlike the Democrats & other liberals; there is plenty proof in Lemmy's pudding of its creators' intentions. The generations long reconciliations that LGBTQIA people had to struggle & die to force acceptance in the western world; despite the Democrats; is now falsely appropriated to pink wash anyone/anything who disagrees like it is here.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

I get you. It's important to remember there is nuance on topics/people you agree and disagree with, rather than jumping to "is against transgenderism", or "agrees with Republicans on everything".

Like you say, actions will speak louder than words. The further the Proton team can put their product and governance away from these opinions the better. The transition to non-profit structure is a positive step in that regard.

edit: forgot an important word in my comment

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

if actions speak louder than words, then what does it say about your pink washing attempt?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Can you elaborate on what you mean by my pinkwashing attempt?

note: I clarified my previous comment that was missing a word.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

this one:

... If you look at this Lemmy development co-leader’s opinions on transgenderism, are you going to stop using this software that lets you converse on an LGBTQ+ safe-space instance with no involvement on a social level from said developer/founder?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

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[–] [email protected] 119 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

Standing up for the little guy. Huh. Is that why billionaires and CEO are throwing literal tens of millions at Trump? Why he staffed his cabinet with billionaires? Why the center of his policy is tax cuts for the giga wealthy, at the expense of everyone else and the national debt, at a time where wealth inequality is literally tearing the country apart?

https://www.axios.com/2025/01/15/trump-windfall-fundraising-500-million

https://www.axios.com/2024/12/09/trump-wealth-cabinet-politicians-billionaires

These are objective, public facts. Like, I'm way more conservative than Lemmy’s center and willing acknowledge any good Trump does, but what reality is this guy living in? Who is this statement for? Who the heck does he think is using Proton services? He just pissed off his employees and customers for… What?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Probably doesn't want to get banned in the US... Or so my copium tells me.

Silver lining is that Proton is owned by a non-profit.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I was thinking this for a second, but is this really plausible? Normally when we talk about corporations we talk about how powerful they are and how they use different nations to locate headquarters and offices in order to mitigate legal and tax obligations. We regularly talk about how governments can't reign them in and how they act with impunity.

But now? "They HAVE to capitulate. They are just doing it to survive." Really? Do we really believe that? Or is it more likely that this is what they want and if they didn't, they'd be fighting tooth and nail to stop it? I'm with the second option honestly.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

...and you're out. That's enough for me.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Dude got weird "Libertarian" vibes:

But he's just one of five board members of the Non-Profit that owns Proton AG, not really a doomsday event... yet.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

It's so all over the map, what does or doesn't count as toughness. That criteria rewrites itself in real time like the plot of a dream.

Avoiding or ignoring questions I would have thought is weakness. Letting covid sweep the country. Falling behind China and India with a weaker labor force. Being ready to surrender to Russia. Being unable to confront the truth that you lost an election.

Any number of mixed and matched definitions could include or exclude those from operative definitions of toughness/weakness without and make just as much sense. It's all just working backwards from tribalism.

[–] this 17 points 4 hours ago (8 children)

God. Fucking. Dam. It.

I use too many of their services right now to get everything switched over to something else before trump takes power.

The swiss better fucking jail this guy if he hands over data to the us government without swiss court approval, per swiss law.

Now I have to find a new password manager, VPN, and email provider. Open to suggestions, but I want to find services that aren't hosed in the us or by trump friendly countries/companies, and ideally use open source software and zero access encryption.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago

It might not have all the convenience of Proton Pass, but Keepass has been and probably always will be dependable.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Let's see if he keeps Leena Khan if he's so anti trust

[–] [email protected] 55 points 6 hours ago (13 children)

There is no ethical consumption under capitalism, and that applies to tech. I pay for Proton and this is disappointing af but not shocking. Corporations and wannabe billionaires always fold to fascism.

Gonna start looking around at alternative email services to consider but I use my Proton email everywhere, so switching away is going to suck.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Hmm... is Tuta still good these days?

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