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I was glancing through the mod log and saw these two entries. Conspiracy theory communities were both removed for violating rule #3.

What are these rules? If I look in the side bar, rule #3 on both lemmy.ml and sh.itjust.works to me looks like no porn. So why were conspiracy theory communities not allowed? That seems like kind of a community that shouldn't be an issue on Lemmy... are conspiracy theory subs really something that won't be allowed here? Honestly that's kind of disturbing to see already...

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not the rules on those servers, but the rules on the server you belong to, i.e lemmy.world. Looking at their main site, their rule 3 is as follows:

[+] [email protected] -14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Wow. Honestly this makes me seriously contemplate my move to Lemmy. I thought lemmy.world was at least a free speech endorsing server. So now we have the two biggest Lemmy instances out there that are clearly against free speech. Lemmy.ml is moderated by pro CCP mods that remove anything anti-china, and lemmy.world can't even tolerate a sub about conspiracy theories (which we should all know have a tendency of coming true the past few years) and is therefore already starting with stifling free speech.

Yeah, go start your own instance... Not everyone wants to run their own instance just to be able to browse communities on other instances that your current instance doesn't agree with.

Yeah... This is really putting a sour taste in my mouth about Lemmy already.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

which we should all know have a tendency of coming true the past few years

Sounds like a dogwhistle to me, especially since you provided no further info. Sounds like you need to start your own instance if you want to post BS.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Arguably they've had an instance to fuck off to before it was cool, its called "truth social" lol, lmao, and furthermore rofl

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The “start your own instance” is twofold. You can indeed move away if you don’t like the rules one instance imposes. But at the same time, being an admin, you get the freedom not to associate with stuff you find problematic. You can’t expect an instance owner to pay for server space to host others’ whims.

From a more personal point of view, I’m really happy that I don’t have to engage with QAnon BS while browsing. It works well for the users too.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You do realize that conspiracy is far more than qanon stuff, right? It was an interesting sub to read from time to time on Reddit.

And yeah, I get "just run your own instance", but not everyone wants to deal with their own instance just to be able to freely browse communities without random censorship. I was hoping Lemmy wouldn't be that way. Don't know what it is about some people being so unable to tolerate opposing views from their own...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Note the "similarly disproven" section.

If there are fun, interesting, not comically disproven conspiracy theories/communities, I imagine they'd be welcome.

Don't know what it is about some people being so unable to tolerate opposing views from their own...

No one should have to host your stupid nonsense. Just because I have a party, doesn't mean I have to invite you.

We want good conspiracies, not the dangerously stupid stuff. Hence, no Q nonsense.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

You can view those communities hosted on other instances from lemmy quite easily. Nothing stopping you. They just don't want it on their instance.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

You won't be missed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Try Truth Social or Gab. Both (I believe) are on the Fediverse and you'll get all the QA conspiracy you could want.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Swap instances and dont use them anymore. its sad that the shit just works admin turned out that bad , luckily i chose lemmy world when i considered both.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well the more worrying part is someone in another response said this was the lemmy.world mods banning those subs from appearing on lemmy.world.

Makes me wonder about lemmy honestly. They're making it very difficult to find an instance that is 1) reliable, 2) open to free speech and thought. With instances randomly blocking others, blocking certain communities, etc...

I mean, am I going to have to spin up my own instance just to browse Lemmy without random censorship of other instances and communities?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If hatred is what you seek, you're on your own.

You know we can see through your whole "ah shucks, I was just wanting a little freedom" shtick, right? No one falls for that shit anymore. You know your opinions are vile, you just want to be able to ensnare vulnerable users into your bigot factory.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

What does rule #3 say?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lemmy.world (where OP's account is) has a rule 3 stating:

No posts or comments supporting or promoting QAnon related content or similarly disproven conspiracy theories. Moderators have sole discretion to decide if a post violates this rule. Birds are real. The Earth is round. Get over it.

See https://mastodon.world/about (both world servers are maintained by the same admin team, and lemmy.world links to that page for its rules).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can admins defederate from specific communities on other instances?

That’s rule 3 for Lemmy.world, but these two instances are on Lemmy.ml and sh.itjust.works respectively.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your terminology is super confused, but the lemmy.world admins did remove those specific communities on lemmy.world in particular. They're unaffected on other servers, and other communities from these servers continue to replicate to lemmy.world unimpacted.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I knew users can block specific communities from their feeds, but I figured the admin level was just defederating from the instance as a whole, like beehaw did.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I don't run an instance and don't have a lot of experience with exactly what's possible, but the screenshots in this post pretty clearly show community removal and not defederation... and the communities aren't removed on their home servers. So I infer the lemmy.world admins must have been able to do it... and did so.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I said in my post that unless there's rules elsewhere I'm just not seeing, the rules on the main instance sidebars for #3 simply say "no porn". So what does that have to do with conspiracy theory communities?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you are really disturbed by the admins of these two instances not allowing conspiracy theory comms then you always have the option of creating your own instance without this restriction.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm aware. But when I look at server rules that simply don't apply what-so-ever to the community removals, and these being some of the largest Lemmy instances out there currently, it just makes me concerned about the moderation currently going on.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Move to a different instance that suits you better. That's the beauty of federation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It's the beauty, but I can also see how it could end up being a negative. So one instance blocks two other instances you like. So you move to a new instance that doesn't. But then it turns out that new instance blocks two different ones that you also like. Can you imagine how as things grow, and with so much potential for selective blocking like this, it could quickly become quite a maze to simply find a place to browse the ENTIRR community, without having to deal with multiple logins across multiple instances?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The mods of lemmy.ml are doing a lot of freewheeling moderation: https://lemmy.pineapplemachine.com/post/5781

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So... from what I'm getting from that post... everyone likes to talk shit about reddit having a big ownership from a Chinese company that is exerting Chinese censorship on reddit... and now we're (well, I'm registered at lemmy.world, but subscribe to a lot of communities on .ml) sitting here on an alternate site that... is ALSO exerting Chinese censorship! 😂

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

But it's Fedi so it's grassroots CCP censorship! See, better!

[+] [email protected] -12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Can you poor me fuckers not stay on reddit? The world isn't conspiring against, we all independently came to the conclusion you're a loser.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Keep going man, I’m sure you can fit a few more buzzwords into your post.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

The opposite woke is asleep. The opposite of virtue-signaling is vice-signalling.

And we have moderation for a reason, lest the instances become Nazi bars

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Take your "controversial thought" back to reddit or start your own instance. You're clearly don't want to be here.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Presumably you could find an instance that allows conspiracy theories, or get together and start one dedicated to that. The subs may not be federated, idk how that works exactly.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

What are you evening going on about? No one has stopped you from have a controversial thought. However, for some reason you think you should be shielded from defending your controversial thoughts. You can say and believe whatever you want but you can't play the victim when people call you out for being the piece of shit you are. Keep on doing your thing but the rest of us aren't going to be tolerant of your shit views.