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[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

dadchats - a lawyer on tiktok - is leading toward the opposite conclusion

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZP8FyLvQu/

[–] [email protected] 49 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

A sensible approach would have been to regulate data collection and misinformation on social media in general, instead of writing a law that bans one specific platform. But oh well, what do I know.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 minutes ago* (last edited 19 minutes ago)

That sounds great... But then how would hegemony maintain its false narratives about the genocide in palestine, etc?

[–] 31337 1 points 9 hours ago

I'm curious if ByteDance could just create a new legal entity and call it TikTak or something.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Money on Zuck been making his own version of TikTok on Facebook. My wife been using it and after seeing my brother use TikTok I could see Zuck and Google both wanting the app banned. So they can push their own short shit clip apps.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 13 hours ago

Money on Zuck been making his own version of TikTok on Facebook.

That’s just Reels, already on Facebook and Instagram.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 13 hours ago

It has already happened. Every social media has their own version, they just need TikTok to die.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Because the government wants the data collection. They just want it to be an american company so they get a copy of it all.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 19 hours ago

I know, I know. I was just dreaming of a world where they didn't suck.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Just make all social media 18+ and be done with it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

that would be terrible for queer kids, a lot of who find their first communities in social media

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

It would also affect kids in general who only really get social interaction in places like video games. People seem to think video game platforms won't be affected (or don't think about them at all), but I got a lot of social interaction that way as a teen.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

So they'll overturn their own Citizen's United decision which pretty much explicitly allows TikTok to do what is being banned?

...right?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

The law in question bans social media (of a sufficient size) being owned by an entity in a geopolitical rival nation.

Its relation to Citizens' United is pretty thin, really only sharing the concept of a corporation's First Amendment rights. But there's a lot of reason to doubt Bytedance's First Amendment argument holds legal water here, as the law is regulating business operation — not speech.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

They're being named for their speech as a business operation, the exact think Cit Un dealt with

[–] [email protected] 5 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

The only freedom restricted in the law is that of Bytedance to own a social media platform in the US. I find it difficult to define that freedom as "speech". Citizens' United dealt with a company's freedom to fund political campaigns — which is at least easier to define as "speech".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

... the reasoning why they're taking away that freedom is the important part you're purposely ignoring.

You can handwave away any right the same way you're doing by ignoring how this is government singling out a company for a behavior based on perceived political messaging

[–] [email protected] 6 points 19 hours ago

It's not perceived political messaging that's at issue, but the potential for sensitive national security data collection by an adversary. That's what made TikTok an explicit target of the law.

For the record, I don't have a strong opinion either way on whether the law is good or bad (if you think it's bad, vote against your congresspeople that supported it). I just don't see TikTok's legal argument against it as very strong, constitutionally speaking.