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[–] [email protected] 57 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

People don't realize that not every implementation of Socialist policies have to involve a vanguardist dictatorship like China or USSR (which is what almost every American have in mind when they think of "Socialism")

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Well it depends on how you define "socialism" which is used to mean anything from a socialist policy to a fully socialist society. For some socialist policies, you can simply vote in some socialists into a parliamentary system and get them to pass some.

But there's never been enough socialists peacefully voted into power to make a fully socialist/communist society, so those attempts have always come at the barrel of a gun, which so far has always resulted in an authoritarian regime.

I'd love to see one actually get voted into power someday, but I have a feeling I will be waiting for a very long time.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (16 children)

There are many examples of elections won by socialist/communist parties. There would have been more of they weren't outlawed or suppressed historically.

There are also examples of revolutions that didn't end in authoritarian regimes, for example the ones that ended in anarchist communities.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 months ago (2 children)

We're angry about unbridled end-stage capitalism

Just like with everything in life, there's a right amount of something and its not zero. Properly regulated free market is probably the best economic system we've come up with. I challenge you to come up with a better system.

Its the fact that we've voted in greedy leaders and have such lax rules about lobbying and open bribery that's allowed so much shit to happen.

[–] Rekorse 6 points 5 months ago

Greedy people vote for greedy leaders. Money mattered more than morals in at least the last federal elections since 2000.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"There was a famine in China, which means we now only can have the most extreme forms of capitalism!" - 70% of the propaganda.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"It's either fully privatised Healthcare or it's Stalinism"

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

You can tell by some of these comments

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The only real problem I have with capitalism is the people that refuse to consider any other way of operating, refuse to rein it in, or immediately make it a binary choice between capitalism and “scary” communism.

Economic systems don’t need to be corralled into boxes and never be allowed cross lines. The people forcing that take are the ones profiting from the status quo, by power and/or wealth.

Any of the systems can be combined, the problem is fight against greed that makes people bend the system to funnel power money to a specific group. Whether it be the dictator and his cronies or a bunch of oligarchs. If this cannot be prevented, then no system will work without eventually crushing the average person.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (4 children)

No....not everyone hates capitalism. Everyone hates uncontrolled capitalism.

Socialism isn't some magical bandaid that will make everything better. It has a shit ton of it's own problems and downfalls...nearly all of which are conveniently glossed over by leftists.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I hate that people are shit and will ruin any economic/political system no matter how high-minded it may have otherwise been.

Similarly capitalism wouldn't be a burning pile of diapers and old wigs if those involved didn't have a complete and total disregard-bordering-on-antipathy for humanity and the common good.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (8 children)

You clearly have never read anything about it, so I’d be curious to know specifically which part of socialist theory you disagree with.

Everyone hates uncontrolled capitalism

Yeah, that's capitalism. By definition, capitalism demands to be uncontrolled and without rules to bring the most profit. So when you're done pulling stuff out of thin air, let us know

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Socialism and capitalism have a lot of overlap. This belief and meme that they are completely separate is incredibly simple-minded and indicative of US thinking patterns. US Americans have had it beaten into their heads that there are only two sides for so long that it permeates their very being.

To have a fair system, components of multiple philosophies and systems will have to be mixed. Treating capitalism as all bad is plain dumb.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

"Everything is fucked.... how can this be?!"

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Socialism won't keep dragons from hoarding their gold. You would just be taken advantage of for the same thing, your labor, through a different channel.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Which channel specifically are you referring to?

Your comment smells of "enlightened cantrist trying to sound reasonable (but failing at it)"

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

As an Indian guy, I-
Yes...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

Well, sometimes events pushed into motion or accelerated by a "root cause" develop lives of their own. Without concerted effort neither with capitalism nor with the absence/alternative of/to capitalism will we solve climate change or patriarchy.

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