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The New Jersey Supreme Court ruled in favor of a Catholic school that terminated a teacher for having premarital sex, according to court documents.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Hate the Catholic Church (I do) or religion as a whole (I also do), but per the article:

St. Theresa School argued Crisitello’s pregnancy violated the terms of her employment agreement, which required “employees to adhere to the teachings of the Catholic Church and refrain from premarital sex,” court documents say.

Agree or disagree, that all fine, but the exact reason for termination is verbatim in her contract which she signed well ahead of being fired. Is it prudish, archaic, and nonsensical? Yes. But did she sign a contract saying she wouldn't do that and then get fired for doing that thing? Also yes.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Sometimes, the contents of contracts are illegal even when they are signed. It's apparently not the case here according to the Court, but the question can be worth to ask.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You can't sign away actual rights, but you can agree to pretty much anything else. It's been well established that companies can fire you for any off-duty behavior they deem inappropriate, as long as the reason doesn't conflict with a protected class. This is the same mechanism that allows people to be fired for being a Nazi or participating in the Jan 6th insurrection, even before being charged with a crime.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Being pregnant is a protected class under the Pregnancy Discrimination Act, though: https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/guidance/enforcement-guidance-pregnancy-discrimination-and-related-issues#IA1

While there can probably fire her for having premarital sex, they legally can't fire her for being pregnant. If she became pregnant through IVF, for example, then there was no sex involved.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

You see, one of these things is a personal choice between two consenting adults and the other is promoting criminal hate, violence, and sedition which negatively affects large groups of people.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The idea that a job contract can dictate your sex life is completely fucking deranged.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Marijuana is legal in my state. All the empty businesses in town are now filled with pot stores.

My job does random drug testing. If they detect marijuana, that's instant firing, no recourse (at will employment).

The idea that a job can dictate anything I do outside of work is deranged.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I agree and I'm not saying it makes sense to rationale people but objectively in this case, the optics hold water. This is a fundamentalist Catholic school with nuns. The teacher was unmarried and was also pregnant. The optics of an unwed pregnant teacher, teaching kids whose parents put them in a Fundy school where pre-marital sex is an explicit no-no does put the staff in a very awkward position.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The awkward position of their evil patriarchial cannibal death cult beliefs being exposed?

Papists shouldn't be allowed to run schools. No religion should.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Yes.

And while I agree with the idea that churches shouldn't run schools, they do and have done for a long time, and as long as people keep sending their kids there, they will continue.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As I said, I agree completely. But the teacher was hired into that environment and knowingly signed a puritanesque ethics clause and broke it. That's why the case was upheld ultimately.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

So what? Just because you put something down in a piece of paper doesn't mean it should be legal.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Fuck their awkward position

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Very well. I will now be requiring all my women employees to not get above the age of 30 and all my minority employees to always look white.

Oh wait, I can't do that? Is it because we have non-discrimination laws?

A school does not have religious freedom, a person does. A school doesn't pray, a school doesn't worry about angry skydaddy, a school doesn't think it has a soul. A school is a collective of individuals. Those individuals have religious freedoms, not the collective that they built. If we don't allow corporations to get around these types of laws we should not be allowing schools to.

Why are you defending the fake rights of a school and supporting their bigotry?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I read the article and summarized it. You should try it, you'd sound like less of an asshole. You disagree, that's wonderful. Nobody is interested in your rant about it.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

How did you determine that I didn't read it? Sorry you hate woman who have enjoy sex. Have fun shilling for the worldwide pedo league

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because you sound like an idiot that didn't read the article and is knee jerk reacting and going on a soap box rant. You disagreeing with the outcome of something is not the same as it being illegal. Also fuck yourself, I'm an atheist. Learn to differentiate fact and opinion jackass.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I don't believe you.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is not a legal passage. It is violating your autonomie and is highly discriminating. Why do i have to explain that in 2023..?

You can sign a contract with problematic passages. Your signing doesn't make illigal stuff legal. And you don't agree with illigal stuff just by signing. It is the same with rental agreements or other contracs.

The lore protects people from abuse of power and arbitrariness.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

This is not a legal passage.

The entire article is about how it was upheld in court so...

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

It took me under a minute to find the email addresses of the school and the lawyer who attacked that art teacher.

I do so hope they don't get hate emails.