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[–] [email protected] 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I've never asked a pro but somewhere in my decades of DIY I got the idea that the right way to connect outlets in one box is to branch them all off the incoming wire so they're in parallel. In the photo each little metal strip between the screw terminals on each outlet is carrying all the current from all 6 sockets, which I don't think is proper.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago

I don't think it's the current in the tabs that's an issue, each socket should be rated for the full circuit's rating, but the ground shouldn't be in series, always parallel.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

One suggestion. Some of the terminals are wrapped counter clockwise to the screw.

You want them to be looped in such a way that when the screw is tightened the loop is pulled into the screw instead of being pushed away from it.

You can see the way it’s wired here. Each one relative to the screw.

https://youtu.be/QuR6_i27WcI?t=20m20s

[–] [email protected] 5 points 16 hours ago

I remember when my gramps showed me that when I was about 12 and was helping him wire in his house.

wish he was still around, old timers had alot of wisdom and tricks I don't see anymore. (they also did some really FUBAR things too 😆)

[–] [email protected] 12 points 21 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 10 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I am not an electrician but I do try to follow code as closely as possible when I do this and all guidance I've ever read says to pigtail each receptacle or switch individually. It takes up a lot of room in the box, but if you use waygos or ideal push in connectors, it opens up a lot of room.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago

I do love waygos, so convenient

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago

buddy system

[–] [email protected] 6 points 18 hours ago

I'm in love with using wago lever nuts for this stuff now. Makes later maintenance so much easier, and totally avoids wire nuts. Manages to be less wire stuffing in the box too.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Don't forget to wrap electrical tape around the edges of the units to cover up the screws. It prevents any accidental short if you happen to touch anything in the wrong way. Makes it especially safe when installing and uninstalling in the future.

I used to just put things in after wiring without a thought for the longest time. Then an old electrician taught me to do this as another added bit of safety.

.. and beautiful job ... love when things like this come together. Hope everything else works out in your project.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Oddly enough no electrical tape on twist connectors.

They should be tight enough to hold the wires together and adding electrical tape just makes it harder to see if they’re loose or coming loose.

Personally I love WAGOs for that and they’re cheap enough now.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I've never used wagos but I want to

[–] [email protected] 5 points 19 hours ago

Wago connectors are life changing. They're not as compact for large bundles, but feel ten times more safe in use.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago

now imagine having to be the one in 20 years that has to replace the first or second plug.

doing that myself recently. 😮‍💨

[–] [email protected] 5 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

I didn't know you could daisy switches like that

[–] [email protected] 11 points 22 hours ago

They're outlets

[–] [email protected] 5 points 19 hours ago

You can, but the switches downstream won't work if the switches upstream are off. These are power outlets, so it's fine.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 22 hours ago

Electrically sure, and I believe legally. However it’s not the best choice because you’re introducing more points of possible failure.

I wasn’t going to say anything because this is art.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 23 hours ago (7 children)

No pun intended, but why not stick the wires into the appropriate holes? Why did you choose to wrap them around the screws?

[–] [email protected] 29 points 23 hours ago

I don't like the holes. I don't trust em. With the screws I can definitely see what's going on.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

I've got a bit of rewiring to do in my home soon and have been doing some research. Apparently this is called backstabbing and is generally considered lower quality work. The connection simply isn't as secure as the screw tightened half loops on the side - but if you spend all day everyday wiring receptacles it's much faster to backstab. Backstabbing is to code, but if you're wiring a few receptacles, best to take the few extra minutes to do it the more secure way.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 19 hours ago

Backstabbing is to code but really shouldn’t be. They can cause fires as the connection gets looser over time as the device is used and isn’t nearly as secure.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

The contact area of the terminals on the wires is much higher if you use the screws rather than the dinky little spring prongs in the stabby-holes. A small contact area means more heat is produced at the junction, which leads to premature failure, which leads to annoyance, which leads to the dark side.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 21 hours ago

The only outlet I witnessed fail due to heat was backstabbed.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 22 hours ago

I hate backstabbing because trying to get it off when you need to work on the receptacle is usually a big pain in the ass. I actually broke part of an outlet once. I was replacing it anyway, but damn.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Never use the backstabbing holes on electrical receptacles.

They come loose over time, faster if they’re not fastened properly or if the house is prone to settling.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

I'm convinced this is a myth or only happens when people don't actually push it in far enough. For me, it's always been a pain in the ass to remove them. Which is why I hate it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago

Never seen a loose one either, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. I bet some manufacturer had a bad batch.

[–] jubilationtcornpone 3 points 20 hours ago

Definitely not a myth. They are notoriously failure prone. Repeated expansion and contraction and just age can cause the contacts to loosen, which increases resistance, which increases heat generated at the point of connection, which increases the amount of expansion and contraction, etc.

A lot of people don't even realize they have a problem until they plug in something high wattage like a space heater or hair dryer and the outlet gets nice and hot.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

I’ve pulled out receptacles where the wire popped right out and stayed in the box. It could have been installation error by the previous homeowner or poor quality receptacles. All I know is that’s what my electrician friend who was helping me told me.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 17 hours ago

Probably 99% of electricians will tell you to never use the back stab holes.

They don't hold well, at all, are easy to pull out when pulling an outlet/switch out, and can break the casing when trying to push the fixture in.

I don't understand how they ever got approved, they're flat out dangerous.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Is THAT what the holes are for?!?

I honestly never knew.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

You press the wire directly into the round hole. To remove, you need to stick a small screwdriver into the rectangular hole next to it.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

No one uses holes. They have a high fail rate, the Unless they are the high-end outlets where the screw also clamps the wire in the hole. And still, no one uses holes.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I use the holes, they're just easier. Never had one fail.

Most old work I take apart also uses the holes.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 20 hours ago

Lol yeah I did in the past, too. Then I learned why they suck and why we should not use them. And to be honest with you, using the screws isn't hard. You're just being lazy.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 22 hours ago

Can’t tell which those are but

  • “back stab” where it is held by friction, common to consumer receptacles, have a poor reputation for failing. Don’t use them

  • “back clamp” (don’t remember what they’re called), common to “pro” receptacles is clamped down by tightening the screw. Much more reliable

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